Was Larry Bird an underrated passer?
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re: Was Larry Bird an underrated passer?
Posted by theunknownknight on 2/13 at 2:13 pm to ptra
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Must have been your imagination. Parish last year was 75-76, Bird's first year was 76-77





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Posted by RedHawk on 2/13 at 4:06 pm to ptra
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Must have been your imagination. Parish last year was 75-76, Bird's first year was 76-77





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Posted by Zach on 2/13 at 4:59 pm to RedHawk
Wrong. Parish graduated from HS in 72, Bird in 74. Parish was in the first class that the NCAA allowed freshmen to play varsity. That was the 72-73 season.

Not only did Bird play against Parish at Centenary but so did Cedric Cornbread Maxwell from UNC - Charlotte. He was really great. I saw all of those games at CC. And all 3 ended up on the Celtics.




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Posted by Zamoro10 on 2/13 at 5:08 pm to RedHawk
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I can't think of one other player, that could have taken that ISU squad to the championship game.


This really doesn't get mentioned enough...we all talk about Bird vs. Magic...but not really Bird taking a Missouri Valley Conference school to an undefeated season (so you say, who'd they play) - well, then to the National Championship game against the "tough" competition. This was before rinky-dink sports schools did anything in the tournament.

The Sycamores had never even been invited to the NCAA tournament before Bird...he arrives on campus and they get a #1 seed.

...and they've only made the tournament 3 times since - recently with tourney expansion.



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Posted by dukke v on 2/13 at 5:26 pm to Zamoro10
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This really doesn't get mentioned enough...we all talk about Bird vs. Magic...but not really Bird taking a Missouri Valley Conference school to an undefeated season (so you say, who'd they play) - well, then to the National Championship game against the "tough" competition. This was before rinky-dink sports schools did anything in the tournament. The Sycamores had never even been invited to the NCAA tournament before Bird...he arrives on campus and they get a #1 seed. ...and they've only made the tournament 3 times since - recently with tourney expansion.





One of the most COMPLETE players to EVER play the game. The "HICK from French Lick" was a lot smarter and better than people gave him credit for.



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Posted by woodoo on 2/13 at 5:30 pm to theunknownknight
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Look at that 80's DEFENSE


When quoting someone else's opinion, it's only fair to mention their name. Or maybe you didn't use Ryen Rusillo's exact words from M&Mike.

You had to play man back then. Bird would avg 10pts/4rbs/ 3ast more a game against a zone. I would probably have 2-3 more fights too.



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Posted by theunknownknight on 2/13 at 5:34 pm to woodoo
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When quoting someone else's opinion, it's only fair to mention their name. Or maybe you didn't use Ryen Rusillo's exact words from M&Mike.


wtf



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Posted by ptra on 2/13 at 6:05 pm to Zach
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Wrong. Parish graduated from HS in 72, Bird in 74. Parish was in the first class that the NCAA allowed freshmen to play varsity. That was the 72-73 season.


Bird signed with Indiana in 74, transferred to Indiana St is 75 and had to sit out a year. FIrst season to play for Indiana St was in '76-77. Indiana St. did play Centenary in 76-77, but Parish was already playing in the NBA that year for Golden State. Once again, they played in your imagination.

:rotflmao:



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Posted by Zamoro10 on 2/13 at 6:09 pm to Zach
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He was really great. I saw all of those games at CC.


You sound sincere.

This is really confusing.



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Posted by Zach on 2/13 at 6:17 pm to Zamoro10
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You sound sincere. This is really confusing.

I saw the game. There is a guy who could verify. Hawthorne, voice of LSU, was a CC radio announcer at court side in those days. Bob Griffin of KSLA TV was also at the game. He's still alive.




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Posted by lsufan112001 on 2/13 at 6:20 pm to VABuckeye
Bird was clutch, completely turned around a historic franchise, and had a great run. But, he only played at a high level for 8-9 years. I love Bird, but I think that he is historically overrated. Sure, he won 3 titles and would have had 2 more if not for Magic and the Lakers, but Larry Legend has blown up over time, I think.
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Bad back.

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yep, Bird said himself he shouldn't have played that last season or two.



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Posted by ptra on 2/13 at 6:26 pm to Zach
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I saw the game.


No you didn't. According to Bird's own web site, he did not play for Indiana St until the '76-'77 season. According to both the history at the Indiana St athletic web site and Centenary athletic web site, Centenary and Indiana St played in the '74-'75 season when Parish was at Centenary but Bird was not at Indiana St,, did not play in '75-'76, then played in '76-'77 after Parish had left Centenary.



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Posted by Zamoro10 on 2/13 at 6:31 pm to ptra
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No you didn't.


This now all makes sense, because according to the NCAA...Robert Parish never existed at Centenary.

How the NCAA made Robert Parish Disappear "Parish’s school days might just be the greatest college career that never happened."




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Posted by RedHawk on 2/13 at 9:49 pm to Zach
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I saw the game. There is a guy who could verify. Hawthorne, voice of LSU, was a CC radio announcer at court side in those days. Bob Griffin of KSLA TV was also at the game. He's still alive.


The game didn't happen. As had been pointed out, Bird didn't play his first game for ISU until the 76-77 season and Parish played his last game for the Gents in the 75-76 season.



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Posted by dr smartass phd on 2/13 at 10:22 pm to Zach
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I saw Bird play his Jr. year against Centenary College. We had Robert Parish at center. We were confident we could destroy Indiana State


Parish was playing at Golden State, when Larry was junior.


This post was edited on 2/13 at 10:24 pm

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Posted by AlaTiger on 2/13 at 10:29 pm to lsufan112001
I was wrong. Bird was great in every respect. I believed that at the time and to my shame, bought into the argument over the years that more recent players were better and he was a product of marketing more than being great. Watching the highlights, reading the arguments in this thread, and taking some time to remember reaffirms what I used to think.

Amazing how the media narrative over time can skew your thinking. I never doubted that he was great as I saw it with my own two eyes, but I somehow bought into the idea that he was a bit overrated.

I stand corrected.



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Posted by RedHawk on 2/14 at 8:10 am to AlaTiger
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I was wrong. Bird was great in every respect.


Yep, he was a great basketball player. By the time he was in the NBA he was already 23 years old. Kobe had already played six NBA seasons by the time he was 23. Bird's playing style also wouldn't lend itself to a long career and the fact he built his mother's driveway for her over an offseason also hurt his back.

During his peak, he was just playing with people cause he would get bored. Below is a link to the left handed game where he scored 22 points with his left hand on purpose.

Bird's Left Handed Game



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Posted by FootballNostradamus on 2/14 at 8:19 am to bbap
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that is beyond wrong but i'm not about to argue with you because i know you will just go all capital letters and make no sense.


I'm late to this thread but all I have to say is




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Posted by Zamoro10 on 2/14 at 8:21 am to RedHawk
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Bird's Left Handed Game


The young folks on here should google the duel.

People seem to hate Brent Mussberger on here (don't really know why - I guess because he calls Pac games...:sigh:) but he had one of the greatest lines ever in sports about Bird after he won the batttle against Wilkens in Game 7 of Eastern Conference semi-finals.

(after Bird scored the go-ahead by schooling Wilkens) "You're watching what greatness is all about."




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Posted by TBubba on 2/14 at 9:28 am to Zamoro10
I wish Larry could read this thread.


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