The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right
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Posted by joshnorris14 on 2/1 at 2:22 pm to DawgfaninCa
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someone stronger with bigger weapons than you who doesn't want you to have that freedom so they will impose their will on you by force.



That's the government now.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 2/1 at 3:20 pm to joshnorris14
Well, I only read up to about page 4, but I think I'll just chime in here.

Immigration is the physical manifestation of market forces. You cannot control market forces with laws and arms. have we not learned this yet?

I agree with those in the thread that say this is a seperate isue from entitlements.

Perhaps if we have a problem with immigrants and want to stem the flow across our borders, we should look at the market forces driving them here. Are they coming for the entitlements? If they are, and we can't afford it, we should change the entitlement structure. Are they coming due to adverse market conditions in their contries of origin? If so, we should look at economic incentives and/or disincentives to moderate the economic gradient between countries.

Are they coming for the Drug War? (THAT'S a good one!) End the war.

But police, armed security, the military, barbed wire, guard towers and mine fields will not control market forces. Hell, the Chinese are immigrating over here in shipping containers! The very ones saying we need to build a wall with mine fields in front and guard towers behind it are the same ones who told us we needed to declare the War on Drugs, and persue offenders with laws and force of arms. It has been an abject failure.

But keep this in mind, generally speaking those who emmigrate from their homeland are generally highly motivated. These are often the very types of people that contribute positively to the workforce. Our country was built by immigrants.



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 2/1 at 3:52 pm to joshnorris14
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That's the government now.



Sophistic nonsense.

The government is put into power by the vote of the people.

Under anarchy, the biggest person with the biggest gun rules regardless of what the people want.




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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 2/1 at 4:01 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Hell, the Chinese are immigrating over here in shipping containers!


That dog won't hunt.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

We now have the ability to detect the body temperature of illegal aliens stowing away in shipping containers so that we no longer have to examine every shipping container which is not cost effective or even possible.

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Our country was built by LEGAL immigrants.


FIFY





This post was edited on 2/1 at 4:04 pm

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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 2/1 at 4:38 pm to DawgfaninCa
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That dog won't hunt.

Oh, that dog hunts, precisely because of your next assertion:
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Necessity is the mother of invention.

Market forces will find a way around 'dectectors'.
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Our country was built by LEGAL immigrants.

Like 'Sooners'?



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Posted by ljhog on 2/1 at 6:02 pm to joshnorris14
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the problem isn't immigration

you're right. immigration isn't the problem. that is the legal entry of educated and skilled contributors to society into the country. illegal aliens on the other hand are a different matter. the flood of low class, undeducated, non-skilled mexican drunk drivin' criminals is a helluva problem here in Texas. and the "law abiding" aren't much better. they drive the cost of medical care, education and public services all while depressing wages for citizens.
you think otherwise, you're an idiot.



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 2/1 at 6:09 pm to ljhog
As someone who has known illegal immigrants in Texas, I can tell you your stereotypes are not always true (And from my experiences, downright false).

Also, you should understand that the whole reason the uneducated masses come into this country is for the welfare (and to a lesser degree because they can exploit the minimum wage laws).



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Posted by 10888bge on 2/1 at 6:29 pm to DawgfaninCa
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DawgfaninCa
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Our country was built by ILLEGAL immigrants Slaves and whoever else we could get on the cheap.

FIFY
Oh and Founded by Traitors..



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 2/1 at 9:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Oh, that dog hunts, precisely because of your next assertion:


Your Dog won't hunt because it's dead.

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Market forces will find a way around 'dectectors'.


Right now they haven't and until they find a way we can find them in those ship containers.

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Like 'Sooners'?


No, like my grandfather who legally immigrated here from Czechoslovakia and worked in the PA coal mines.




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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 2/1 at 9:43 pm to 10888bge
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Our country was built by ILLEGAL immigrants Slaves and whoever else we could get on the cheap.


No. Our country was built by LEGAL immigrants like my grandfather who legally immigrated here from Czechoslovakia and was willing to do an honest day's work in the PA coal mines.



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 2/1 at 9:49 pm to DawgfaninCa
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No. Our country was built by LEGAL immigrants like my grandfather who legally immigrated here from Czechoslovakia and was willing to do an honest day's work in the PA coal mines.


I guess he work that man Grandfather's grandfather did in Ybor City after he illegally immigrated to this country doesn't count.



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