40 years ago today Abortion became legal in this country
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re: 40 years ago today Abortion became legal in this country
Posted by NoHoTiger on 1/31 at 10:58 pm to CollegeFBRules
I can definitely understand the quandary. I think it's human nature to want others to not only understand your side but also be swayed to join it. There are lots of things I may not agree with, but I don't want the government regulating morality/behavior by restricting rights and freedoms. I think this can be especially difficult when dealing with emotionally charged issues such as abortion and gun control. I would like to believe that some people fight so hard for their "side" because they truly think that their position is the "right" one and that they are making society better as a whole. But I also know that some people are only pandering, some are simply trying to push their position on others, and still some yet are merely looking for power and control.

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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 1/31 at 11:03 pm to MrCarton
Same to you.


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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 1/31 at 11:09 pm to NoHoTiger
Agreed on all those points. I assure you that my angle on abortion is only driven by the honest belief that the biggest argument for freedom I can make on this subject is defend that entity which doesn't have a voice on the matter.

I can't say that it is the right or wrong place to approach the argument from, but it's the one that I've come to the conclusion on with lots of soul searching. It has zero to do with biblical myths telling me how to think, or a stake in defending the position of a political party.

I think it is possibly the only grey area I tread into with my ideology on personal liberties.

But, yeah, most of the arguments around here put posters as hypocrites and inconsistent, and they don't have a clue about it because they haven't evaluated their own beliefs broadly to see if all their pieces honestly fit together.



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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 11:44 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Man, you're so full of shite. I've posed that very same question to you in the past in which you said if science could sustain the life of the child absence the need of the mother's body, you would no longer support abortion since fetal viability would have moved significantly earlier.

You're either going group think, or your principals are a moving target that you don't fully grasp.


lol full of shite..oh yes ask my wife.

What I said is that science is never going to go far enough to eliminate the need for a mother.

So you are posing a never going to happen scenario.

Should that come to pass then naturally the need for abortion would go away...as would the need for a mother to have the need to choose whether to remain pregnant.

smell better?


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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 1/31 at 11:56 pm to asurob1
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smell better?


No, smells like a sack of crawfish.

How can you even think to proclaim:

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What I said is that science is never going to go far enough to eliminate the need for a mother.


1. When that's not what you had claimed in previous conversations.

and

2. You have no clue what humans will achieve during the rest of our lives, much less beyond.

So the question becomes, what would science have to achieve that would, in your opinion, negate the necessity of abortion as an alternative to an unwanted pregnancy? It seems like your answer is to either assume a less likely level of sophistication of human scientific achievement over the entire future course of human existence, or that you will never support no abortion, regardless of scientific advances. If the latter, then that's a disappointing deviation from prior discussions.



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Posted by asurob1 on 2/1 at 1:18 am to CollegeFBRules
well I guess I suffer from being a bit of a realist. You are correct I could not have predicted 10 years ago that my phone would be more powerful then the PC I was using at the time.

That being said. I have always been about viability.

Science makes it where having a woman around is an option but not a requirement for that baby to survive..Im all in.

Its about choice for me, forcing our girls to give birth because they made an error in judgement (or worse) seems very inhuman.

I just dont see that as being realistic...much like my all powerful phone 10 years ago.



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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 2/1 at 1:29 am to asurob1
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well I guess I suffer from being a bit of a realist. You are correct I could not have predicted 10 years ago that my phone would be more powerful then the PC I was using at the time.


Nah, you just enjoy playing silly word games that employ sarcastic overtones with an intent to sound "above the fray".

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Its about choice for me, forcing our girls to give birth because they made an error in judgement (or worse) seems very inhuman.


There is nothing cruel or sadistic about it. I know the linguistic summersaults we start to engage in about punishing a simple mistake, but it's not punishment. It's accepting responsibility for the actions you chose to engage in. The pass comes with legislation that says a mother can drop the baby at a fire station or hospital upon birth and be done with it, no questions asked.

A woman gets raped, a victim of incest, or her life is threatened by the pregnancy...she gets the full range of options to deal with the pregnancy as she chooses, for those situations are on a different level than just getting knocked up through consensual sex.



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Posted by Keltic Tiger on 2/1 at 2:52 pm to CollegeFBRules
catholictiger, this thread is bout abortion, not one's faith per se. As I have said, my only active interest in the abortion issue is when anti abortionists call innocent rape victims murderers if they abort a rapist's fetus.The rest of the arguments I leave to the individual & his/her personal beliefs. But it's pretty safe to say that no one here, or most other places, is going to change the other side's opinions, at least not the hardcore advocates as expressed here. Which means this thread & the others all boil down to a huge waste of time & energy.


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Posted by darkhorse on 2/2 at 1:24 am to asurob1
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When I go in for a procedure...you can bet your arse I ask all the questions I need to ask. And having known more then a few women who have had abortions you can bet your arse they are doing the same thing. Your angle here...failing miserably.



Really.... because they lied to my sister. She still deals with the emotion today.



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Posted by darkhorse on 2/2 at 1:57 am to asurob1
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That being said. I have always been about viability. Science makes it where having a woman around is an option but not a requirement for that baby to survive..Im all in.



That started a long time ago. Test Tube babies.

So is it still a viability thing?

Like my other questions, I am certain you will not answer it...


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