40 years ago today Abortion became legal in this country
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Posted by catholictigerfan on 1/31 at 7:59 pm to asurob1
Read before those verses and see how god is talking about punishment on those people, the people he is taking his wrath out on has been sinful and there for he destroys them. You took this out of context. Also they talk about Babylon the people who took the holy land away from the Israelites so I don't think an author would look I highly on them.


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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 8:15 pm to catholictigerfan
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Read before those verses and see how god is talking about punishment on those people, the people he is taking his wrath out on has been sinful and there for he destroys them. You took this out of context. Also they talk about Babylon the people who took the holy land away from the Israelites so I don't think an author would look I highly on them.



You mean a single verse quoted by the bible could be interpreted many different ways?

Really?

Are you sure?

Cause that kinda shoots holes in your arguments with old Keltic there now doesn't it.

Quit while you are behind...



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Posted by catholictigerfan on 1/31 at 8:19 pm to asurob1
Non there is one literal interpretation and there can be multiple spiritual interpretation but the spiritual interpretation doesn't have inerrancy tied to it only the literal interpretation.

But this is a waste of my time ill only discuss scripture with keltic now cause I'm guessing he beleieves its inspired just like me.



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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 8:25 pm to catholictigerfan
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Non there is one literal interpretation and there can be multiple spiritual interpretation but the spiritual interpretation doesn't have inerrancy tied to it only the literal interpretation.

But this is a waste of my time ill only discuss scripture with keltic now cause I'm guessing he beleieves its inspired just like me.


Im pretty sure Keltic was offended by you for calling his sister a murderer.

But that's just one man's opinion



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Posted by catholictigerfan on 1/31 at 8:26 pm to asurob1
I know he was wasn't much I could do to avoid it


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Posted by NoHoTiger on 1/31 at 8:41 pm to catholictigerfan
Sure there is. You could understand that people sometimes find themselves In a situation and they choose to act one way
whereas if they had found themselves in that same situation by a different set of circumstances they would act another way. For example a woman who finds herself pregnant as a result of rape chooses to terminate that pregnancy whereas if she had found herself pregnant by a loving partner she would choose pregnancy and childbirth. Same situation, different causes, different choices.


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Posted by White Roach on 1/31 at 8:48 pm to geaux1227
Geaux1227:
9 days and 18 pages later, I just read your post. I can't say that I'm a stong supporter of abortion, but you present a compelling Pro-Choice argument. Preach it, girl!!!



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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 1/31 at 8:49 pm to NoHoTiger
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For example a woman who finds herself pregnant as a result of rape chooses to terminate that pregnancy whereas if she had found herself pregnant by a loving partner she would choose pregnancy and childbirth. Same situation, different causes, different choices.


Yeah, but you're using extremes here. I know this conversation is over 400 posts in, but tell me this...if / when science pushes fetal viability to near the time of conception, what will the argument for abortion become? Will you still support choice, or will the parasitic argument lose sway at that point?



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Posted by NoHoTiger on 1/31 at 9:13 pm to CollegeFBRules
You have to allow for extremes as they will always be part of the equation. I will always be pro choice as I think it is that individual's decision to make. Regardless of the decision I would personally make, I do not think that freedom should be taken from others. Whether or not I agree with another person's choices, they are still their choices to make.

So in a word YES, I will always be pro choice.



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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 1/31 at 9:29 pm to NoHoTiger
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So in a word YES, I will always be pro choice.


With no necessity for the mother to sustain the life of the entity within, I would think those in favor of choice of the individual would shift to the child, no? If the burden of gestation can be removed from the mother at the time of the first positive test, with her bearing no future responsibility or required participation in the making of decisions, how does the child still lose in a battle of words seeking to maintain the sanctity of the mother's body? The child no longer rests within her womb in such a situation.



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Posted by gatorsimz on 1/31 at 9:31 pm to NoHoTiger
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I will always be pro choice as I think it is that individual's decision to make. Regardless of the decision I would personally make, I do not think that freedom should be taken from others


Do these individuals not have the freedom to have sex when they're ready for a child and to abstain when they're not? Do they not have the freedom to use birth control? You're reinforcing irresponsible behavior with abortions, but that's the new America. Where we punish the prudent and responsible citizens and reward the irresponsible, unaccountable.

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So in a word YES, I will always be pro choice.


You're pro-abortion, not choice. The baby has no choice in the matter.



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Posted by NoHoTiger on 1/31 at 9:39 pm to CollegeFBRules
I understand what you're saying, but I am not in favor of completely eliminating that choice. It may be easier for women to decide to remove the fetus to an alternative gestational avenue as opposed to aborting the pregnancy, but I am still in favor of her having that choice.




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Posted by NoHoTiger on 1/31 at 9:41 pm to gatorsimz
Then fine, call me pro-abortion if that's the term you prefer.


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Posted by CollegeFBRules on 1/31 at 9:47 pm to NoHoTiger
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I understand what you're saying, but I am not in favor of completely eliminating that choice. It may be easier for women to decide to remove the fetus to an alternative gestational avenue as opposed to aborting the pregnancy, but I am still in favor of her having that choice.


Obviously I'm trying to find any avenue in which there is a compromise in this situation. As it stands now, the morning after pill provides women who were either sexually assaulted or willing participants to prevent fertilized implantation, ending any life before a heartbeat develops.

If you could add to that equation the removal of a child at the first test, we still find no common ground on ending the practice of abortion while completely removing the responsibility of the mother?



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Posted by NoHoTiger on 1/31 at 9:57 pm to CollegeFBRules
I don't think you are ever going to find that one way that will completely eliminate abortion. If you take into account people who abort due to severe deformities or genetics issues, people who use birth control correctly and don't realize it has failed until they are pregnant and morning after pills are not effective, and those who choose to abort for any of the reasons too numerous to mention. I would like to see a decrease in abortion. I would like for there to never be a need for abortion, but I do understand that we will probably never get there. Therefore I am not in favor of completely eliminating that choice.


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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 10:03 pm to NoHoTiger
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You have to allow for extremes as they will always be part of the equation. I will always be pro choice as I think it is that individual's decision to make. Regardless of the decision I would personally make, I do not think that freedom should be taken from others. Whether or not I agree with another person's choices, they are still their choices to make.


Smartest post of this entire thread. Try actually reading it CTF. You might learn something.



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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 10:05 pm to gatorsimz
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Do these individuals not have the freedom to have sex when they're ready for a child and to abstain when they're not? Do they not have the freedom to use birth control? You're reinforcing irresponsible behavior with abortions, but that's the new America. Where we punish the prudent and responsible citizens and reward the irresponsible, unaccountable


How in the hell are you being punished in anyway if a mother choose to abort a fetus that was not yours.

You aren't.




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Posted by mmcgrath on 1/31 at 10:05 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Yeah, but you're using extremes here. I know this conversation is over 400 posts in, but tell me this...if / when science pushes fetal viability to near the time of conception, what will the argument for abortion become? Will you still support choice, or will the parasitic argument lose sway at that point?


What will you do when science can take a bag of sperm and an egg and put them together, then grow a baby? What happens when we can create clones? How about goose egg, with a woman's DNA inserted? Does life begin when the body is being created by processes developed over billions of years or when that body takes its first breath, perhaps triggering what we would consider "awareness"?



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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 10:06 pm to CollegeFBRules
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If you could add to that equation the removal of a child at the first test, we still find no common ground on ending the practice of abortion while completely removing the responsibility of the mother?


Science will come a long way, but never far enough to eliminate the need for a mother, and thus the need for mother's to have the abilty to choose to abort should they decide to.



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Posted by asurob1 on 1/31 at 10:07 pm to catholictigerfan
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I know he was wasn't much I could do to avoid it


You could try spending a day in his shoes, you know...like the day after what happened to his sister happened.

Empathy..it's an amazing thing.



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