I can't pull for Ray Lewis
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Posted by Jcorye1 on 1/19 at 11:24 am to dominustd
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Two guys(not saints either) died, killed, over nothing and you find Lewis to be a hero over his pursuit to cover it up. You are a pathetic individual.





Welcome to the internet, Mr. Judgmental, how are you doing today? If Ray Lewis did indeed kill someone, or his friends did, how do you know that person was actually a decent human being? What if it was self defense?

Ray Lewis is one hell of a linebacker, and a fantastic leader. Those are traits that are admirable in my book. I have no idea what happened that night, but he and his buddies were proven innocent by a jury of their peers.



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Posted by Jcorye1 on 1/19 at 11:26 am to Tigersfan
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Maybe it's a bunch of his kids in this thread.




Oh ancient one, please tell us how presumption of innocence is following the unrighteous path.



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Posted by 504Voodoo on 1/19 at 11:33 am to dirtbag lsu
Well maybe you can tell him in person the next time you are at a LSU football game.


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Posted by dominustd on 1/19 at 11:33 am to Jcorye1
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Welcome to the internet, Mr. Judgmental, how are you doing today? If Ray Lewis did indeed kill someone, or his friends did, how do you know that person was actually a decent human being? What if it was self defense?


Finding Ray Lewis to be a hero in this case makes one look pathetic. He was not, or is not a hero at all.

Somebody in his group did kill two guys and it was hardly self-defense.

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Ray Lewis is one hell of a linebacker, and a fantastic leader. Those are traits that are admirable in my book.


Good for you. Kinda weak sauce thinking on your part, but hey whatever makes you feel better.


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I have no idea what happened that night, but he and his buddies were proven innocent by a jury of their peers.


They were found "not guilty", they were not "proven innocent" in the least. Big difference.



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Posted by Jcorye1 on 1/19 at 11:39 am to dominustd
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Somebody in his group did kill two guys and it was hardly self-defense.



I'm glad you came forward as a witness when you were there at the situation, because it seems like you know an awful lot about it.

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Good for you. Kinda weak sauce thinking on your part, but hey whatever makes you feel better.



I comment on what I actually KNOW AND SEE.

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They were found "not guilty", they were not "proven innocent" in the least. Big difference.



In my eyes, they aren't that different. I wasn't there at the event, the government tried incredibly hard to prove Ray had something to do with the situation, and they failed.



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Posted by tigerpimpbot on 1/19 at 11:41 am to dominustd
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Somebody in his group did kill two guys and it was hardly self-defense.



O rly?



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Posted by dominustd on 1/19 at 11:44 am to Jcorye1
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I wasn't there at the event, the government tried incredibly hard to prove Ray had something to do with the situation, and they failed.


Actually the gubment didn't try very hard. One local writer heavily criticized how pitiful the prosecution handled the trial as in disorganized and unprepared.

However, Lewis was guilty of obstructing justice so he did have something to do with the situation. And no, I don't think he stabbed anybody or even had a knife at all, but two of his buddies did and he testified how one of them demonstrated how he held the knife as he was punching after the killings.


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Posted by H-Town Tiger on 1/19 at 11:50 am to dominustd
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Finding Ray Lewis to be a hero in this case makes one look pathetic. He was not, or is not a hero at all.


Thinking someone is a great football player=/= thinking them to be a hero. I do not consider athletes to be heros.



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Posted by shel311 on 1/19 at 11:52 am to dominustd
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Two guys(not saints either) died, killed, over nothing
Or maybe two guys died by dudes acting in self defense?

I would not know, I wasn't there. Sounds like you were, so maybe you can shed some more lights on the events that transpired.



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Posted by Jcorye1 on 1/19 at 11:54 am to dominustd
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One local writer heavily criticized how pitiful the prosecution handled the trial as in disorganized and unprepared.


One local writer here thinks LSU should join the Big 12.

Local writers tend to suck.



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Posted by tigerpimpbot on 1/19 at 11:55 am to dominustd
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Actually the gubment didn't try very hard. One local writer heavily criticized how pitiful the prosecution handled the trial as in disorganized and unprepared.



That's because the State rushed to charge Ray Lewis with murder and get an indictment before the investigation was complete.



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Posted by shel311 on 1/19 at 11:57 am to dominustd
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Somebody in his group did kill two guys and it was hardly self-defense.
Why do you act like this is 100%, concrete fact?

It sure sounds like you just made up your mind because a famous person was accused of something, that they have to be guilty of some wrongdoing. So you made up your mind without the facts, and just ran with it, and now you're presenting things as facts that no one knows the real answer to.



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Posted by dominustd on 1/19 at 11:57 am to Jcorye1
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One local writer here thinks LSU should join the Big 12.

Local writers tend to suck.


The particular writer was a guy who specialized in covering trials and covered many.

You can keep being a hack, but I'll just ignore you.



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Posted by dominustd on 1/19 at 12:02 pm to shel311
The victims did not have weapons on them except a bottle that cracked over the head of one of Lewis' group after the fight broke out.

Per eyewitness testimony, 2-3 of Lewis' group were seen punching the victims.

Nothing about it can be said to be a justifiable killing due to self-defense.

Add: Lewis was indeed guilty of obstructing justice, so he is hardly innocent. He just didn't stab anybody.


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Posted by TigerBait1127 on 1/19 at 12:10 pm to dominustd
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Nothing about it can be said to be a justifiable killing due to self-defense.



well except for the gun casings around victims and their friend admitting to firing shots



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Posted by Antiheroaz on 1/19 at 12:10 pm to Jcorye1
Since it hasnt been pointed out yet Im just going to state the obvious elephant in the room.........

OP is rasict.



carry on......



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Posted by tigerpimpbot on 1/19 at 12:12 pm to Antiheroaz



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Posted by dominustd on 1/19 at 12:15 pm to TigerBait1127
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And, after the stabbings some 200 yards down the street from the Cobalt, Lewis and several other members of his entourage sped off in the Lincoln Navigator limo as gunshots rang out.


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Witnesses reported that some five shots were fired as the limousine left, but it was unclear whether they were fired from the vehicle, or at it.



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Posted by TigerBait1127 on 1/19 at 12:26 pm to dominustd
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Witnesses reported that some five shots were fired as the limousine left, but it was unclear whether they were fired from the vehicle, or at it.


except the gun casing were found next to the body of the victims and their friend admitted to firing them. So it is clear there were shots came from

That is the case for self defense right there. The defense argued that the victims fired the shots


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Posted by shel311 on 1/19 at 12:37 pm to dominustd
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The victims did not have weapons on them except a bottle that cracked over the head of one of Lewis' group after the fight broke out. 


Broken bottle is hardly a weapon?

Sp, hypothetically, if they started the fight by breaking a bottle over someone's heads, then there would be a threat to continue using that bottle as a weapon right?

So, how is there no chance of self defense like you keep claiming you know for sure?



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