Who still supports the war on drugs, and if so, why?
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re: Who still supports the war on drugs, and if so, why?
Posted by McLemore on 1/12 at 10:38 pm to goatmilker
meth has its own separate safety issues--that's a tougher one to call.

empty the jails and prisons of all weed-only offenders and let's go from there.




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Posted by mooseknuckle on 1/12 at 10:38 pm to Patrick O Rly
Legalize it and I don't use drugs anymore.


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Posted by Patrick O Rly on 1/12 at 10:39 pm to goatmilker
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Tough call Paddy.
Meth Coke heroin I think you need to attempt to try and limit its availability.


In theory, yes. In practice it doesn't seem like it's worth it. Some assume that if those drugs were decriminalize/legalize that usage would skyrocket. For me though, the reason I never wanted to do them had nothing to do with it's legality, but rather I was afraid of being hooked on them.





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Posted by McLemore on 1/12 at 10:42 pm to Patrick O Rly
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For me though, the reason I never wanted to do them had nothing to do with it's legality, but rather I was afraid of being hooked on them.


yup



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Posted by goatmilker on 1/12 at 10:45 pm to Patrick O Rly
I understand the darwinian approach or the libertarian but its a tough call either way. Any thing is worth a try at this point in time.
What we are doing now is a failure IMO.



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Posted by 20MuleTeam on 1/12 at 10:45 pm to Patrick O Rly
Yes and we would stop using the justice system to deal with addicts but all the low to high level scumbag dealers will just start breaking different laws so the prison population will only drop slightly


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Posted by HempHead on 1/12 at 10:52 pm to 20MuleTeam
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will just start breaking different laws so the prison population will only drop slightly


Which laws will they start breaking?

ETA: I think many of y'all would be surprised at just who exactly is selling drugs.


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Posted by heehaw on 1/12 at 10:55 pm to HempHead
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I think many of y'all would be surprised at just who exactly is selling drugs.


This.



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Posted by lsu480 on 1/12 at 11:00 pm to goatmilker
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Weed? PPPffttt. C'mon. Not in public and thats that.


Why not in public?



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Posted by HempHead on 1/12 at 11:03 pm to lsu480
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Why not in public?


Ordinances regarding public use should be left to municipalities, just like alcohol.

A place like Portland, OR may allow you to smoke in the park, but my hometown in Alabama sure as hell wouldn't.


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Posted by RogerTheShrubber on 1/12 at 11:08 pm to olemissfan26
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Name one benefit from using coke or meth or acid


Name one benefit from bungee jumping or extreme skiing?

People should be free to do what they want to do. Laws against usage cause more problems than the actual usage itself. If people want to us, they will use...legal or illegal.





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Posted by RogerTheShrubber on 1/12 at 11:13 pm to HempHead
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ETA: I think many of y'all would be surprised at just who exactly is selling drugs.




And . Been to some parties where I was a it surprised at who was openly using.



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Posted by olemissfan26 on 1/12 at 11:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The general public is not at risk from extreme skiing or bungee jumping because it doesn't impair judgement or alter your mental state for an extended period of time, cause relapses etc. so that is a bad comparison.

My point isn't that things need to have benefits to be legal. I should have said the negative side effects (to yourself and surrounding public) that those hard core drugs have (notice I left out weed) outweigh its recreational benefits.



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Posted by HempHead on 1/12 at 11:42 pm to olemissfan26
Nevermind, misread the post.

quote:

I should have said the negative side effects (to yourself and surrounding public) that those hard core drugs have (notice I left out weed) outweigh its recreational benefits.


How can this be demonstrated?

Here's a question for you: do you own your body, or does someone (or something) else?


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Posted by McLemore on 1/12 at 11:43 pm to olemissfan26
i don't know who is arguing (seriously) that the negatives of hard drug use don't outweigh any benefits. you're totally missing the point.


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Posted by goatmilker on 1/12 at 11:46 pm to lsu480
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Why not in public?


Why not defecate in public then?



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Posted by olemissfan26 on 1/12 at 11:49 pm to HempHead
To be honest man I don't care if you do every drug you can get your hands on as long as you don't do it near me or in public... It's your body if you want to destroy it with that shite go ahead I just don't want to pay for your healthcare when you start having problems.


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Posted by HempHead on 1/12 at 11:52 pm to olemissfan26
I don't want to pay for anyone else's problems, period.

I asked that question because I believe it to be the fundamental aspect of drug legalization (as well as a myriad of other political problems). Either you own your body, or you don't.

ETA: My drugs of choice are highly unlikely to cause any chronic health problems.


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Posted by RogerTheShrubber on 1/12 at 11:59 pm to olemissfan26
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My point isn't that things need to have benefits to be legal



What about alcohol? Should it be legal?


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Posted by olemissfan26 on 1/13 at 1:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
youtube channel called Vice. watch some of these videos. Not all their documentaries are about drug use its a pretty badass channel

for all you heady bros:

Krokodil AKA russian heroin on roids


Heroin destroys your life






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