Why do people assume Miles wants to run it down people's throats?
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re: Why do people assume Miles wants to run it down people's throats?
Posted by JawjaTigah on 1/10 at 7:13 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I think I am starting to get a feel for how this goes.

We like to bitch when we run, because we should have thrown.
We like to bitch when we pass, because we should have run.

Can anyone tell me if I am doing this right?
You got it! This is the Rant.



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Posted by dljtigers on 1/10 at 7:15 pm to Mayhawman
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In those 8yrs, Miles has 4 of the top 5 LSU scoring Os, ever.


Again what years?

I know for the last 5 yrs we have had been around 70-80th in total offense. That tells me that the Defense and special teams are scoring a lot of points or giving us EXTREMELY short fields.

I don't care if we run or pass but we need to have a LOT fewer 3 and outs. The entire nation knows LSU has great defenses and not so good offenses. Some here have a difficult time getting it.



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Posted by peopleschamp on 1/10 at 9:09 pm to NorthEnd
I think the reason people feel that way is the style of backs Les uses in his offense. A small back in a Les Miles offense is 215lbs. The guy likes massive 235lb running backs. I have never seen a smaller faster back really thrive since Les has been at LSU. I really don't care what Les wants to do. I just want to see the offense break the top 50 Nationally. It's a little embarrassing finishing 80 something.


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Posted by Topwater Trout on 1/10 at 9:14 pm to NorthEnd
He runs right into the teeth of the defense. No gimmicks.




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Posted by League Champs on 1/10 at 9:59 pm to NorthEnd
Not sure if serious?

2005 - Fisher (41% pass)
Run attempts - 509
Pass attempts - 360

2006 - Fisher (45%)
Run attempts - 450
Pass attempts - 368

2007 - Crowton (42% - 14 games)
Run attempts - 612
Pass attempts - 442

2008 - Crowton/Miles (38%)
Run attempts - 495
Pass attempts - 391

2009 - Miles (43%)
Run attempts - 435
Pass attempts - 336

2010 - Miles (35%)
Run attempts - 538
Pass attempts - 301

2011 - Miles (32%)
Run attempts - 591
Pass attempts - 279

2012 - Miles (40%)
Run attempts - 527
Pass attempts - 356

Every year prior to 2008, we threw over 40% of the time. Since '08 we have only passed the 40% mark one year. In 2009, when we lost 4 games, and were forced to pass.



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Posted by BayouTigers4Life on 1/11 at 1:45 am to League Champs
I'm curious to see Bama's Pass/Rush ratio in the last couple of years. They are built the same way like LSU since Saban believes in a rush first mentality.

The only difference being when they do pass they seem efficient - receivers run better routes, better blocking, players execute better, dont miss their assignments, no deer-in the-headlights look after coming out of a timeout etc. When it is a recurring problem over 4-5 years the fingers can only be pointed to coaching and mismanagement.



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Posted by CecilShortsHisPants on 1/11 at 1:56 am to NorthEnd
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Why do people assume Miles wants to run it down people's throats?


I don't get it either, Ford might be the best ball carrier LSU ever had, and he hardly ever saw the field. I have to think a run-first coach would have used Ford to wear out defenses.



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Posted by ATLTiger on 1/11 at 2:04 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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Ford might be the best ball carrier LSU ever ha



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Posted by CecilShortsHisPants on 1/11 at 2:13 am to ATLTiger
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Ford might be the best ball carrier LSU ever had

You're right, he's only the strongest and possibly fastest/quickest player on the team. He would have won Heismans at Bama or OU imo



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Posted by ATLTiger on 1/11 at 2:16 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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He would have won Heismans at Bama or OU imo




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Posted by CecilShortsHisPants on 1/11 at 2:25 am to ATLTiger
Who are the best RB's in all of football? AP and Trent Richardson right? Well, Michael Ford is just as strong and fast as both of those guys. The rest can be coached.


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Posted by coldhotwings on 1/11 at 4:39 am to CecilShortsHisPants
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Who are the best RB's in all of football? AP and Trent Richardson right? Well, Michael Ford is just as strong and fast as both of those guys. The rest can be coached.



There is more to being an elite running back than running strong or fast. He's is nowhere near elite.



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Posted by McCringleberryy on 1/11 at 5:08 am to coldhotwings
I think what he means is he has elite raw talent. In which I agree Ford was the fastest and strongest back on the team. At any other college I believe he could of had the opportunity to flourish, grow, and develop those elite skills to become a great back. With LSU being so ridiculously staaaacked it sadly never happened. Wish and hope he has success at the next level!


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Posted by rbdallas on 1/11 at 7:03 am to BayouTigers4Life
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I'm curious to see Bama's Pass/Rush ratio in the last couple of years. They are built the same way like LSU since Saban believes in a rush first mentality.


They have had bigger "horses" up front...
..and remember Miles came from Michigan.. Bo Schembechler..was Miles teacher
That's what we have....and why we stupidly run "up straight up the middle" in many situations.



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Posted by cajunjj on 1/11 at 9:17 am to PurpleAndGold86
For the last 4 years the defense carried us the whole season. If we some how could find a qb & an offense that can move the ball we would be great. Don't expect it this coming year with all the defense jumping to the pro's.An no offense.

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Posted by ATLTiger on 1/11 at 9:23 am to rbdallas
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They have had bigger "horses" up front...



actually they haven't. our OL is usually one of the biggest in the country on avg, and might outweigh theirs slightly. at times I even wonder if some of outs guys (read: the tackles) aren't a bit too heavy.



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Posted by KingofthePoint on 1/11 at 9:31 am to Topwater Trout
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He runs right into the teeth of the defense. No gimmicks.

This.

Best example of this was Auburn 2006. We were getting nowhere in the run game, but he would not give it up until the very end when it was too late. We don't play to our opponent's weaknesses. We also, even more inexplicably, give up on what is working.



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Posted by Topwater Trout on 1/11 at 9:37 am to KingofthePoint
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We also, even more inexplicably, give up on what is working.


Kentucky '07



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Posted by rbdallas on 1/11 at 9:49 am to ATLTiger
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actually they haven't. our OL is usually one of the biggest in the country on avg, and might outweigh theirs slightly. at times I even wonder if some of outs guys (read: the tackles) aren't a bit too heavy.


talking about running backs, not just OL
Mark Ingram,
Trent Richardson

this year they have Lacy...




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Posted by TDTGodfather on 1/11 at 10:34 am to League Champs
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how do they rank comparatively to other NCAA teams in that time period? That is all that really matters

what matters to me more is the W-L record of those teams in that time period compared to LSU. see how many of them you want to trade records with???

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Not sure if serious?

2005 - Fisher (41% pass)
Run attempts - 509
Pass attempts - 360

2006 - Fisher (45%)
Run attempts - 450
Pass attempts - 368

2007 - Crowton (42% - 14 games)
Run attempts - 612
Pass attempts - 442

2008 - Crowton/Miles (38%)
Run attempts - 495
Pass attempts - 391

2009 - Miles (43%)
Run attempts - 435
Pass attempts - 336

2010 - Miles (35%)
Run attempts - 538
Pass attempts - 301

2011 - Miles (32%)
Run attempts - 591
Pass attempts - 279

2012 - Miles (40%)
Run attempts - 527
Pass attempts - 356

Every year prior to 2008, we threw over 40% of the time. Since '08 we have only passed the 40% mark one year. In 2009, when we lost 4 games, and were forced to pass.

let's break that down:

what's different from 2008 to now?

russell/flynn vs lee/JJ/mett


what's the difference there?

do you know why our run % was 32 in '11?

because you don't throw the ball when you're up by 3-4 scores.

bama's run pass ration this yr was 63/37. UGA's was a bit was more skewed to pass but close to 60/40.

a 60/40 split is what you want in cfb with a pro style offense. if you don't agree then you differ in philosphy and will never agree but for a fan base that wants everything bama has you think this would be preaching to the choir.





This post was edited on 1/11 at 10:36 am

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