MSFT Update: Looking worse quicker than I predicited
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Posted by Gr8t8s on 12/27 at 5:41 pm to Catman88
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What many developers did not like was the SDKs for android and they have adopted.


Adopted out of necessity. Objective-C is garbage, but was adopted out of necessity. At this time, there is no necessity to adopt developing for Windows 8. Developers aren't rushing because the $$$ isn't there yet.



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Posted by Gr8t8s on 12/27 at 5:45 pm to Catman88
And finally:

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All three will soon be using html 5


This won't be happening ANYTIME SOON. Again, there's no necessity to move there yet. If there's a push, it'll be from the people already developing HTML5, not from the ones content to keep developing on Eclipse and Xcode. HTML5 still has too many shortcomings to be considered a legitimate alternative.


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Posted by Catman88 on 12/28 at 8:57 am to Gr8t8s
A developer should be able to switch from one tool to another seemlessly. Otherwise they are not a developer they are a programmer. A monkey can learn to program.

I never said ease was the same as cost allocation. I states that a developer with a background in C should be able to adapt to all the various object oriented versions of C if that be in .net framework or cocoa. And YES easily pick up PHP too.

And yes if you accept it or not HTML 5 will become a way of life in the next 2 years. Why do you think Adobe abandoned their baby for it?

BTW MSFT is adding what now? close to 500 apps per day?



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Posted by Gr8t8s on 12/28 at 2:51 pm to Catman88
Given enough time, yes, any developer can learn another language, but you're missing my point. A C developer can't just stand up, walk over to a Mac and sit down and start writing an iPhone App. There's a huge learning curve. Likewise, an Apple Developer can't just walk over to a PC and start developing on .Net.

I'm a web developer and I hang out with a ton of government C & Java developers that work on our military base. I've even tried to get them to help me out with an iPhone app before. They can't do it. The initial learning curve is too steep to do it on the side.

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HTML 5 will become a way of life in the next 2 years


I like HTML5. I use it daily and love the things that it can do. I've written many web apps that use it. With that in mind, I can guarantee you that HTML5 will not have a significantly larger market share over native apps in 2 years than it does now. Native is still the way to go.

- HTML5 wasn't helped when Zuckerburg called it the worst mistake that he's made (trying to create web-based vs. native).

- The discoverability, performance, and general need for connectivity of HTML5 apps is another huge problem.

- Some mobile web browsers still don't support all of the attributes of HTML5.

- Design and speed Issues with mobile vs. desktop HTML5.

- Gaming is sub-par.

Hell, I wish HTML5 WOULD become the standard. It would make it a lot easier on me. I just can't see it yet.



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Posted by Catman88 on 12/28 at 3:09 pm to Gr8t8s
Yea Im only a lowly software architect and oracle ace. what do I know.




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Posted by C on 12/28 at 3:25 pm to Catman88
You obviously haven't spent as much time reading rumor boards on the internet to reach his expertise.


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Posted by Gr8t8s on 12/28 at 6:00 pm to Catman88
Please, enlighten me as to why HTML5 will take over. I gave you my argument as to why I think it won't in 2 years, coming from someone that uses it every day. You give no basis for your argument, get defensive and throw out your qualifications. Well played, sir. That'll show me.

I also find it odd that you're a software developer...arguing FOR HTML5.....and I'm a web developer arguing AGAINST it. Seems like there could be something to that...


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Posted by Gr8t8s on 12/28 at 6:03 pm to C
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You obviously haven't spent as much time reading rumor boards on the internet to reach his expertise.


I see that you must have missed the part that I'm a web developer and use HTML5 on a daily basis. I have the knowledge to speak from experience when it comes to this topic.

Also, please point to anything in my posts that could even be construed as rumor. I can back up all my points. Nice contribution.



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Posted by nolanola on 12/28 at 6:24 pm to Catman88
HTC/Verizon just dropped the price of the 8X phone to under a $100 because of slow sales.

On another note Samsung now sells more phones then Nokia:
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Nokia, which has been the world's largest cell phone maker for the last 14 years, will be dethroned by Samsung this year and fall to second place, reports IHS iSuppli. One reason may well be the Nokia-Microsoft deal in which Nokia bet its future on the struggling Windows Phone platform.



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Posted by Gr8t8s on 12/28 at 6:36 pm to nolanola
Sorry for this thing derailing and getting into an argument about HTML5 vs. native apps.

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Posted by LurkerIndeed on 12/28 at 10:05 pm to Gr8t8s
Apologize for what? That's a better conversation than arguing over cherry-picked analyst quotes.

I think there are plenty of types that can do both native and web. There are plenty of one tech, one language types, too, from the boonies to Silicon Valley, and they are on all platforms.

Microsoft's API may be new, but their languages definitely are not, and learning a new API is a lot easier than a new language.


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Posted by nolanola on 12/30 at 1:24 pm to LSUStjames
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Surface Pro still has not released. Also Microsoft now has started selling the tablets in Best Buy and Staples so customers can have easier access to them now that the demand has been verified. So you can't make any true prediction on Surface.



Just read several articles saying that Surface tablets are tanking at both stores. Apparently Staples doesn't carry the iPad so they don't don't consider themselves in the tablet business. They just offer Surface tablets because of Microsoft products already sitting on the shelves. On the other hand there are multiple reports of Best Buy neglecting the Surface totally. One article said that Best Buy's pricing signage in their store read "Microsoft Android" tablet and that other locations demo units aren't working (not implying defects, possibly just not powered on).



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Posted by LurkerIndeed on 12/30 at 10:17 pm to nolanola
Links?


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Posted by ForeLSU on 12/31 at 9:51 am to Gr8t8s
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I'm a web developer and I hang out with a ton of government C & Java developers that work on our military base. I've even tried to get them to help me out with an iPhone app before. They can't do it. The initial learning curve is too steep to do it on the side.



This is probably much more an indication of the type of work they've done vs. a transition to new language/platform. Someone who has been writing device drivers in straight C their entire life would probably have learning curve issues doing OO development where user experience is the main focus.

From a business perspective, however, this isn't an issue at all. There is no barrier to quickly find developers for any platform that makes business sense. In addition, if you're properly architecting software, moving between platforms becomes much easier. Many companies, though, over-leverage platform specific services, which makes migration very difficult.



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Posted by rickgrimes on 12/31 at 5:14 pm to ForeLSU
Developers that develop apps for Windows 8 can easily port over the same apps to Windows Phone 8 because they have the same underlying architecture. I think once they start seeing the benefit of that,
I believe both platforms will take off especially Windows Phone which is struggling for traction.



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Posted by rickgrimes on 1/11 at 2:18 am to nolanola
Wow, this isn't good for Windows RT tablets. I think it is telling when one of your biggest OEM partners says they don't want to spend the time and money to educate the customers on what Windows RT is because it is so confusing.

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"When we did some tests and studies on how we could go to market with a Windows RT device, we determined there was a lot of heavy lifting we still needed to do to educate the customer on what Windows RT was," noted Abary. Consumer education is something that Microsoft has had to struggle with for both Windows 8 and Windows RT, and it looks like this is a direct consequence of that. He added that Samsung was also not willing to bring the Windows RT tablets to market with the compromises it would need to make to hit the lower price point expected from RT tablets. "We didn't necessarily attain the price point that we hoped to attain," Abary said.


Samsung won't launch Windows RT tablets in the US, blames confusion and weak demand




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