Defense Distributed's quest for the printable gun (Updates in OP)
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Posted by SundayFunday on 12/26 at 5:28 pm to joshnorris14
Reprap? Is that the machine that does this?

And would everything you print be made of that plastic? Or could you make things our of a more sturdy material to make guns like this reliable?



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 12/26 at 5:32 pm to SundayFunday
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Reprap?


The Rep-rap is one of the hobbiest 3D printers. It can print about 80% of its own components. It's not as good of a quality of a 3D printer as the industrial 3D printers but from what I understand, the DD guys have been printing off of the hobbiest printers. The guy who originally made the file for the AR-15 lower receiver (HaveBlue) used a rep-rap and fired off 200 shots without it breaking.

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And would everything you print be made of that plastic?


As of right now, the rep-rap prints with various types of polymers, but in the future there is nothing preventing them from advancing to the next level of materials.



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Posted by Roaad on 12/26 at 5:35 pm to joshnorris14
Serious science-y engineer-y shite going on here.




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Posted by hypnos on 12/26 at 6:39 pm to joshnorris14
I read about this weeks ago. Had no idea they were up to multiple rounds. For those who are into gun control you can kiss those dreams good bye.


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Posted by Alahunter on 12/26 at 7:08 pm to hypnos
Hope they don't get busted for firearms manufacturing without a liscense. Wouldn't surprise me to see the ATF all over them.


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Posted by kclsufan on 12/26 at 7:13 pm to Alahunter
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Hope they don't get busted for firearms manufacturing without a liscense. Wouldn't surprise me to see the ATF all over them

This. I've seen 3d printing first hand and talked to some manufacturers. The industry's growing fast and the list of available materials to print with is increasing. I can see the feds trying to control or track certain materials that can be used for making guns.



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 12/26 at 7:19 pm to Alahunter
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Hope they don't get busted for firearms manufacturing without a liscense. Wouldn't surprise me to see the ATF all over them.


It's not illegal to make firearms without a license.




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Posted by kclsufan on 12/26 at 7:20 pm to joshnorris14
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It's not illegal to make firearms without a license YET

FIFY



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 12/26 at 7:22 pm to kclsufan
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FIFY


It's going to be so hard for them to track this in the future it will never be a "real" law. It will be a law in the way that piracy is illegal.



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Posted by WikiTiger on 12/26 at 7:22 pm to kclsufan
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I can see the feds trying to control or track certain materials that can be used for making guns.


probably be about as successful at it as they are in controlling drugs



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 12/26 at 7:24 pm to WikiTiger
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probably be about as successful at it as they are in controlling drugs


It'll be even less successful than that.



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Posted by Alahunter on 12/26 at 7:25 pm to joshnorris14
Visit atf.gov.


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Posted by WikiTiger on 12/26 at 7:27 pm to joshnorris14
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It's going to be so hard for them to track this in the future it will never be a "real" law. It will be a law in the way that piracy is illegal.




Thanks josh for bringing this topic to the board. It fascinates me like Bitcoin does.

Essentially, what we're seeing is a decentralization of many things (money, manufacturing, content production and distribution, etc.) due to technology. And the internet will allow people to globally share all this instantly.

It's liberating!


3D printing is going to bring about a "crisis" of "piracy" in the future. I put crisis and piracy in quotes because I don't think it's a negative thing, but it will certainly be portrayed that way.

You will see 3D printing vilified because it will "put people out of work" or "destroy American manufacturing" or some other shite. And you will see companies bitch and complain because now Joe Blow can print the part he needs for his car instead of having to go buy it. And they will call it "piracy" or a litany of other menacing terms to propagandize against it.



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Posted by kclsufan on 12/26 at 7:27 pm to joshnorris14
What happens when someone starts printing bigger weapons, like some kind of mortar or bazooka? Printable weapons may become an entire industry unto itself with its own designs, models, etc.


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Posted by joshnorris14 on 12/26 at 7:29 pm to Alahunter
Instead of telling me what to do, why don't you educate yourself to the laws that are currently in existence.


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Posted by KosmoCramer on 12/26 at 7:29 pm to Alahunter
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It shall be unlawful—
(1) for any person—
(A) except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed
dealer, to engage in the business of
importing, manufacturing, or dealing
in firearms, or in the course of such
business to ship, transport, or receive
any firearm in interstate or foreign
commerce;



I think that Josh was saying that if it doesn't cross state lines, the feds can't touch them.





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Posted by joshnorris14 on 12/26 at 7:30 pm to kclsufan
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What happens when someone starts printing bigger weapons, like some kind of mortar or bazooka?


I don't know.



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Posted by Gmorgan4982 on 12/26 at 7:30 pm to WikiTiger
I first heard about this technology in one of those Zeitgeist movies. It seems pretty exciting.


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Posted by KosmoCramer on 12/26 at 7:31 pm to KosmoCramer
And it looks like it would be legal if they didn't sell them?




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Posted by TrueTiger on 12/26 at 7:31 pm to joshnorris14
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It'll be even less successful than that.



This. A black market for guns would compare to the drug market like Walmart compares to the local Family Dollar. Many more millions believe in the right to have guns than drugs.

Hell maybe a ban doesn't look so bad, it could be the way out of this shitty economy for many who want to take the risk.



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