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Posted by Cold Pizza on 10/7 at 10:58 am to udtiger
Ryan will beat him so bad expectations for the 2nd Presidential debate will shoot through the roof.


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Posted by Holden Caulfield on 10/7 at 10:59 am to LSUgusto
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How can you call that inconsequential?

What else can they say? Last Wednesday's debate was not inconsequential, as indicated by this morning's polls, and because of the result I'm expecting a larger than normal viewing for the VP debate.

For the first time obama was exposed as the empty suit we suspected him to be. To say that is inconsequential is to be in complete denial.



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Posted by TigerRad on 10/7 at 11:12 am to CarrolltonTiger
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Because the undecided voter wants a helpless old fool a heart beat away from assuming the power of the empty suit?



no but the agressor can end up looking belligerent...and that is always unappealing on tv



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Posted by Holden Caulfield on 10/7 at 11:17 am to TigerRad
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no but the agressor can end up looking belligerent

You won't see that with Paul Ryan. He will methodically explain where Biden is misleading the viewers without sounding like he's going for Joe's jugular.

Ryan's personality and style will ensure that he will not come across as overly aggressive. His intellegence and knowledge will ensure another GOP debate victory.



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Posted by NHTIGER on 10/7 at 11:56 am to udtiger
One big plus for Romney and Ryan in these debates is the enforced rule that the audience remain quiet and not applaud or cheer during the debates.

Much of Newt Gingrich's debate strength in the primaries was that he knew how to dish out "zingers", those lines that draw loud applause from the live audience and make an impression on potential voters sitting at home watching on television. You saw what happened when that Florida audience was not allowed to make a sound - Newt's best shots were met with silence and thereby were neutralized.

Both Obama and Biden thrive on charging up live crowds in their campaign stops with zinger lines and then pausing for the predictable crowd cheering frenzy. Both men feed off this, get energized by it.

But in these debates, the audience greets even the best pre-planned lines with silence - the result being the viewers at home (the ones that count) have to decide for themselves whether the statements are applause-worthy or not. When a casual observer hears one candidate's statements met with constant wild applause louder than the other's, it is human nature for that to cloud their own interpretation of the statement and opinion of the man who delivered it.

Obama is not used to speaking without constant interruptions for loud cheering, much more so than Romney. There were times Wednesday night when you could almost see Obama hoping the audience would ignore the rule and react to him. The guy is just lost without crowd/audience reinforcement. You can see that in his press conferences (the few he has) and in television interviews on news program where there is no audience. He never comes across nearly as well in those situations. Yes, not having a teleprompter to read from hurts him a lot in those situations too, but he does great on The View and Letterman and Jimmy Fallon, etc., situations where he can get loud applause as often as he wants.

Biden is the same way. He makes strong statements, gets rousing cheers, and then makes even stronger statements.

Neither Romney nor Ryan are like that. They are solid, steady, tortoises taking on a couple of hares. Their crowds are enthusiastic, but not cultish, screaming mobs, a la Obama/Biden.

Romney was very comfortable with the quiet audience Wednesday night, because it leveled the playing field. He didn't have to be as effective a speaker, per se, as Obama, just someone who came across as knowledgeable, confident and prepared. Those are also Ryan's strengths.

I have no idea who will "win" the next 3 debates - but I am pleased that the live audience will not be fueling Obama's or Biden's usual reliance on whipping up the crowd. The quiet halls will force the live audience to leave judgment to the viewer at home.

The more important effect is that the two guys who are most energized by cheering crowds will have to make do without them. And Romney and Ryan will be just fine with that.



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Posted by PRK on 10/7 at 11:58 am to udtiger
You sincerely believe that Biden is the candidate in this debate with a problem telling the truth?


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Posted by RogerTheShrubber on 10/7 at 12:01 pm to PRK
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You sincerely believe that Biden is the candidate in this debate with a problem telling the truth?


I think he may have trouble tying his shoes



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Posted by long4life on 10/7 at 12:02 pm to LSUgusto
seems like one big problem Ryan will have is not laughing at the funny stuff Biden says.


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Posted by ottothewise on 10/7 at 12:40 pm to udtiger
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he's completely unconstrained by anything remotely close to what could be considered the truth.



He got lessons from Mitt



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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan! on 10/7 at 12:45 pm to ottothewise
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He got lessons from Mitt
A jewish Adi Da believer who lives in San Fran thinks Romney was lying during the debate?

Absolutely shocked.



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Posted by CamdenTiger on 10/7 at 12:50 pm to ottothewise
Ryan just needs to not be overconfident. No way he doesn't trash Biden. When they start quoting facts/numbers, he just needs to drop the plan/facts, and smile. He has to show compassion in an unfair fight. The last thing he needs to do is to throw Uncle Joe off the cliff, just can see the Dem Narrative/Spin coming....cause it will.


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Posted by baylee252 on 10/7 at 3:38 pm to CamdenTiger
Would love to see Biden falter as much as Admiral James Stockdale did back in the day. Unfortunately, Biden is smarter than Obama by a long shot and I think he may be serviceable as a debater against Ryan if Ryan takes a light-footed approach. He has to figuratively step on Biden's throat early and often.


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Posted by NC_Tigah on 10/7 at 3:46 pm to udtiger
This cycle, short of Ryan or Biden literally going crazy on stage, the VP Debates will not matter one iota IMO. The next 2 POTUS debates will matter a great deal.


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Posted by Cracking on 10/7 at 3:54 pm to baylee252
Ryan just needs to do exactly what Romney did. Speak to his strengths, call out Biden's BS, and stay classy/likable.

Let Biden spout the typical democrat BS of raising taxes on the rich and "investing" (more spending) in the virtuous aspects of the government like education and infrastructure.

Biden can make the same boring talking points interesting, but if he tries and gets too cute, he may make a major gaffe.

Ryan should focus on the positive aspects of himself/Romney and their plans and only respond to inaccuracy and slander.



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Posted by TN Bhoy on 10/7 at 3:56 pm to udtiger



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Posted by TK421 on 10/7 at 4:04 pm to PRK
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You sincerely believe that Biden is the candidate in this debate with a problem telling the truth?


Which of these candidates had to drop out of a previous presidential race due to plagiarism?



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Posted by Wolfhound45 on 10/7 at 4:09 pm to ottothewise
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He got lessons from Mitt





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Posted by Bobby Moore on 10/7 at 6:15 pm to wilfont
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I know you must have watched Paul Ryan take obama and Biden to task during the healthcare round table.


That was the most awesome thing I ever seen. Obama just had to sit there and take it. Ryan was masterful.
Didn't know Ryan was that smart.



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Posted by JWS3 on 10/7 at 6:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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This cycle, short of Ryan or Biden literally going crazy on stage, the VP Debates will not matter one iota IMO. The next 2 POTUS debates will matter a great deal.


If Biden were to do a respectable job against Ryan, most people will be asking themselves "why couldn't Obama have done this well, he not Biden is supposed to be the smart one?" It could actually be another negative for Obama.



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Posted by otowntiger on 10/7 at 8:06 pm to udtiger
I think Ryan's biggest problem is high over the top expectations.


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