Romney changing positions
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Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83 on 10/5 at 3:44 pm to Tiger4Ever
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He evolves...you hack.


Oh. Thank you for the clarification.



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Posted by L.A. on 10/5 at 3:45 pm to Gmorgan4982
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He's pro-war, he's pro-NDAA, he's pro-PATRIOT Act, he's pro-drug war, he's pro-criminalization of prostitution, he's pro-sanctions, he's pro-bailout, he's pro-border control, he's pro-income tax, he's pro-foreign spending, pro-infrastructure development subsidized by the FedGov, pro-killing American citizens without a warrant.
You just described Obama succinctly.

Well done.



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Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83 on 10/5 at 3:45 pm to 90proofprofessional
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disagree with both claims, relative to the president


I like how you qualify your statements. It is like a CYA clause embedded within each post.

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so no, this is far from the thing that concerns me most about him


What are your concerns, if any?



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Posted by Gmorgan4982 on 10/5 at 3:46 pm to L.A.
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You just described Obama succinctly.

Well done.
Yep. They're both exactly the same. That's been my argument on here for months.



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Posted by ironsides on 10/5 at 3:47 pm to Tiger4Ever
Is that kinda like Obama changing positions on the national debt? or the deficit? Or gay marriage? or trayvon's resemblance to his non-existent son? or how much corporate welfare the banks should get?


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Posted by LSUnKaty on 10/5 at 3:49 pm to DA
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I bet nobody can say with certainty where Mitt stands on anything. Anything. Think about that.
Where does Obama stand on Gay Marriage, closing Gitmo, bringing the troops home, Rev. Wright, Islam, Ayers, earmarks, Rezco, a budget, wiretapping, transparency, domestic oil production, the Capital of Israel, cutting the deficit, .....



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Posted by The Gooch on 10/5 at 3:49 pm to L.A.
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Give us an example of what you're talking about.



Mitt v. Mitt

On health care:

•"I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing [Romneycare], then that will be a model for the nation." Speech in Baltimore, 2007
•"[Romneycare] is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation." Presidential primary debate, 2011

On abortion rights:

•"I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it." Debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1994
•"I do support the Republican platform, and I support that being part of the Republican platform, and I'm pro-life." The Huffington Post, November 2011

On gay rights:

•"I'll be better than Ted Kennedy on gay rights" Interview with Bay Windows, 1994
•"I opposed then, and I do now, gay marriage and civil union." The New York Times, 2012

On conservatism:

•"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush." Debate with Sen. Edward Kennedy, 1994
•"I fought against long odds in a deep blue state, but I was a severely conservative Republican governor," Conservative Political Action Conference, 2012





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Posted by 90proofprofessional on 10/5 at 3:50 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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What are your concerns, if any?

what he has in store with the DoD spending
the crony capitalism i know will continue, but with a different set of beneficiaries
fear he will cave to the likes of AARP and lay off reforming medicare
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I like how you qualify your statements. It is like a CYA clause embedded within each post

well, i'm concerned with who will win, not keeping some pristine complete perfection with the things i support. otherwise i'd run

and when'd you turn so douchey?



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Posted by DA on 10/5 at 3:51 pm to Gmorgan4982
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He's pro-war, he's pro-NDAA, he's pro-PATRIOT Act, he's pro-drug war, he's pro-criminalization of prostitution, he's pro-sanctions, he's pro-bailout, he's pro-border control, he's pro-income tax, he's pro-foreign spending, pro-infrastructure development subsidized by the FedGov, pro-killing American citizens without a warrant.


Well, besides those.



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Posted by southernelite on 10/5 at 3:54 pm to DA
Why would I want a president so solid in his ideals he won't do what the people elect him to do or find compromise with the opposite side for the sake of getting shite done.


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Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83 on 10/5 at 3:55 pm to 90proofprofessional
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well, i'm concerned with who will win, not keeping some pristine complete perfection with the things i support. otherwise i'd run

and when'd you turn so douchey?




You misunderstand me. That was a observation of respect. I deal with legal jargon all day long and have to CYA (or CMA) with everything I write all day because it can be considered legal advice. Every email I send out, etc. So, it was meant as a sign of respect of one who thinks about what they say when they are saying it.

And my question about your concerns was simply out of curiosity as do not come across as a "politard" but someone who might say something that makes me think or consider.



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Posted by 90proofprofessional on 10/5 at 3:57 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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You misunderstand me.

guess i did. my bad



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Posted by ehidal1 on 10/5 at 3:58 pm to The Gooch
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•"I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing [Romneycare], then that will be a model for the nation." Speech in Baltimore, 2007
•"[Romneycare] is something that was crafted for Massachusetts. It would be wrong to adopt this as a nation." Presidential primary debate, 2011

Reading comprehension not your thing? Building a model for states of the nation vs a federal implementation? Ah, frick it, just use the words however it fits you...

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•"I'll be better than Ted Kennedy on gay rights" Interview with Bay Windows, 1994
•"I opposed then, and I do now, gay marriage and civil union." The New York Times, 2012

Hmmm...sounds familiar...



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Posted by Elcid96 on 10/5 at 4:08 pm to DA
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I bet nobody can say with certainty where Mitt stands on anything. Anything. Think about that.



I can with confidence say that a few nights ago Mitt stood on Obamas neck and stomped his ass. Think about that!



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Posted by Y.A. Tittle on 10/5 at 4:09 pm to Gmorgan4982
[quoteWelcome to the Poli Board. The following passes for logic:
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The election isn't about Romney it's about getting rid of Obama. We can worry about Romney once Obama is gone. One thing a time]. [/quote]

Is doing nothing but constantly telling everyone you are in favor of an alternative for which there is literally an absolute zero chance of it ever coming to pass, somehow inherently more "logical"?



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Posted by 90proofprofessional on 10/5 at 4:18 pm to Elcid96
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I can with confidence say that a few nights ago Mitt stood on Obamas neck and stomped his ass. Think about that!

i chuckled



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Posted by DA on 10/5 at 4:19 pm to Elcid96
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I can with confidence say that a few nights ago Mitt stood on Obamas neck and stomped his ass. Think about that!


To the casual observer.



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Posted by navy on 10/5 at 4:19 pm to L.A.
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He's pro-war




Nope. That just is not the case. Just because he doesn't rule out military action, does not make him or anyone else "pro-war."



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Posted by ShreveDad on 10/5 at 4:21 pm to southernelite
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Why would I want a president so solid in his ideals he won't do what the people elect him to do or find compromise with the opposite side for the sake of getting shite done.


This philosophy sure worked well for Sen. Bennett or Sen Lugar. The days of political compromise seem to be coming to an end in DC. The far right and far left will try and primary you out if you do.



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Posted by MFn GIMP on 10/5 at 4:23 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Most of his position changes have been on social issues. Economically and fiscally he has been pretty consistent.

I can forgive him his social issue changes because imo your social stances change a lot more than your economic ones.



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