Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
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Posted by kingbob on 1/29 at 5:06 pm to Mr. Wayne
I don't think Varys is a blackfire (although it would explain why he keeps his head shaved). I think Loras is meeting with Aegon trying to marry his sister to him. His host that was supposed to take Dragonstone will instead meet up with Aegon and march on Kings Landing with the backing of the Royal Navy and the Tyrells throwing open the gates from the inside.

Oh, and Stannis lights the Bastard of Bolton on fire.



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Posted by BobBarker on 1/29 at 5:26 pm to kingbob
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Oh, and Stannis lights the Bastard of Bolton on fire.


Please happen. I hate Ramsay nearly as much as Cersei and Littlefinger.

This also brings me to the Pink Letter. Is it possible that Mel finally realized that Jon is the PTWP and wrote it knowing that Jon would try to go and save Stannis and liberate Winterfell thus getting the Nights Watch involved in the quarrels of the realm causing Bowen Marsh and others to kill him, thus freeing him from the vows he took as a sworn brother knowing that he would never forsake them on his own volition?



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Posted by NIH on 1/29 at 5:35 pm to BobBarker
I've thought about Mel being the writer since I re-read that chapter a few times over and Jon notices her kind of just walk out the hall. He didn't mention her in a rush, crying over Stannis, etc. She just walked out like things were going according to plan.


Also, what's everyone's thoughts on Dany's betrayals? I have a feeling the betrayal for love will be Ser Barristan going over with Septa Lemore/Ashara Dayne.



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Posted by 19 on 1/29 at 9:39 pm to NIH
Kinda had Mel as the suspect for the pink letter immediately after reading, too, based solely on her reaction to Stannis's death...till the preview Theon chapter from Winds where he says to the knight he sends to Essos that he may hear he (Stannis) is dead, and it may even be true...coincidence?
Then again, that may only mean he and Mel plotted the letter beforehand.

But again (repeating myself, I know) asking for the Baratheon hostages AFTER Stannis is dead gives no advantage to Ramsey...and the value of the other hostages requested: Arya, Reek, Mel herself, Jon with an army bound for WF, (let's not forget leaving The Wall even shorter staffed) and the use of the term "Crow" may point to Mance - Supports Mel's reaction, too, as Mance was and still is her...whatever....

We can all agree The Bastard didnt write it, for sure.

And Barristan...I'd love to see his reaction to Aegon's Septa myself.



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Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 1/31 at 10:12 am to 19
BUMP (Page 4 )


Just started my first re-read today and almost halfway done with GoT.

Jeez what a fricking great book. I'm sure it goes faster now, especially now with the visuals of the series to aid the reading process, but does anyone else miss the style of the first book compared to the later books?

The chapters are very concise and get right to the point. Makes for a great read and easy to pick up on everything.

I love the later books too, but damn some of those chapters are a chore to get through.


Btw, whatever happened to the re-read thread? Did that peter out? Can someone who posted in it link to it? I'd like to check it out as I'm reading along.


As for my favorite moments so far on re-read:

First chapter, Bran POV: "Bran saw his father's face change. He loved Jon with all his heart at that moment. Even at seven, Bran understood what his brother had done. The count had come right only because Jon had omitted himself."


Jon POV at the feast: "When he opener the door, the light from within threw his shadow clear across the yard, and for just a moment, Tyrion Lannister stood tall as a king."


Ned POV to Catelyn: "My father went South once, to answer the summons of a king. He never came home again."


Jon POV to Arya: "Different roads sometimes lead to the same castle. Who knows?"


Catelyn POV about Littlefinger: "I knew he would rise high. He was always clever, even as a boy, but it is one thing to be clever and another to be wise. I wonder what the years have done to him."






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Posted by DestrehanTiger on 1/31 at 10:20 am to kingbob
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I think Loras is meeting with Aegon trying to marry his sister to him.


These suitors need to do some damn research. Bad shite happens when you marry Marg Tyrell.



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Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 1/31 at 10:23 am to Josh Fenderman
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Didn't Martin say he won't have any new POV's?



This can't be true can it??

Isn't Arianne already a new POV??

And one of the Tyrells (Loras, Margery, or maybe even the Queen of Thorns) has to be almost certain to be a POV I would think.

I wouldn't mind a Manderly POV either.



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Posted by 19 on 1/31 at 10:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
I've always maintained that AGoT was the most well-written of the series, especially in the 'poetry of the language'. Sadly, it is pretty much lost in other volumes (there are flashes here and there), but the plot takes over completely and more than makes up for it's loss.

Love the examples you cited.

The entire Tower of Joy dream sequence was beautifully written, and is one of my favorite passages...ever



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Posted by OMLandshark on 1/31 at 11:09 am to DestrehanTiger
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These suitors need to do some damn research. Bad shite happens when you marry Marg Tyrell.



Well, I think he's going to have a pretty enticing offer, in that the Tyrell men will merely open the gates to King's Landing in exchange for that. Think it will be an offer too tempting to refuse, plus I think Aegon himself may reason that since the original Aegon had two wives, he would as well when Dany comes over with his dragons. The dragon has three heads he'd reason.



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Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 1/31 at 12:31 pm to 19
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I've always maintained that AGoT was the most well-written of the series, especially in the 'poetry of the language'. Sadly, it is pretty much lost in other volumes (there are flashes here and there), but the plot takes over completely and more than makes up for it's loss.





I will say it's very interesting going back now and reading the books having seen the series.

In some ways, the series does some things better. I like the conversation that Ned has with Jon right as he leaves for the Wall. That isn't in the book, and I think it's a pretty bad omission, unless it is referenced later.

I also like the fact that in the series it's Cat who is opposed to Ned going to King's Landing, whereas in the book, Ned doesn't want to go and Cat kind of pushes him to accept position as Hand.

In fact, Cat is a pretty unlikable character so far in the book IMO. She's just so hateful to Jon, even more so than we see in the series. The "It should have been you" line to Jon over Bran's bed was pretty over the top and comes off as kind of lame in the book, and I'm glad they left that out in the series. I did like her saying that she didn't want him to go to KL and prayed for him to stay so she blames herself and Jon tries to console her. Didn't remember that being in the series.

Obviously, the casting of slightly older actors and aging the characters in the series was a great move, even if it was out of necessity.

I've heard GRRM regrets making them so young in the books, and it's pretty tough to figure out what the hell he was doing. I mean, making Jon/Rob/Arya/Sansa just a couple of years older makes the whole thing more easy to accept imo. Rickon too. GRRM said he was 3 friggin years old in the book??? Even if a couple of years go by before he flees Winterfell, which I don't think it's that long, he's still some 5 year old baby traipsing through the Winterfell tundra with Osha.

How is he supposed to have much of a role with Davos/Stannis/Boltons as a 5-6 year old kid. Gotta think GRRM changed a lot of things on the fly. He should have seen that coming imo, particularly for the Stark children and Daenaryes.

However, the book is much better at other things. These first several chapters have been great at showing Robert's feelings for Lyanna and the overall motivation for the Rebellion, whereas the series has barely alluded to it at all.

HBO did a great job creating the characters though IMO. It's so fun to read the book now being able to picture Tyrion, or Jamie or Jon.

The creation of the Dothraki and Khal Drogo is great as well. The book didn't quite capture an image in my mind the first time I read it, but now after seeing the series, it reads much richer IMO.



Anyway, can someone link the re-read thread?? I searched and can't find it, but would like to read along, as least as far as it got.



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Posted by OMLandshark on 1/31 at 1:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I bet I know what's going to happen to the Freys. First the Boltons will fall (aside from Ramsay who has taken over the Wall, but his time will come later in the book) due to Stannis and some internal backstabbing. Littlefinger, knowing that the Kingdoms have never been in as much chaos as they are now, sends word to Cersei that he's marching North with the army of the Vale to secure the North.

After marrying Sansa off to whatever his name is, they'll march North to the Twins, and once they're inside, they'll proceed to massacre the Twins and kill all the Freys. Littlefinger will then announce Sansa's presence to the world, as well as the Vale's and the Riverlands' loyalty to "The Queen in the North". She and Littlefinger will become instantly popular needless to say for basically wiping out the most despicable and despised family in all the Seven Kingdoms, and also putting the final nail in place for the destruction of the Lannisters,


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Posted by Josh Fenderman on 1/31 at 1:20 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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This can't be true can it??

Isn't Arianne already a new POV??

I was fairly sure he said that. Arianne was supposed to be in Dance with Dragons, but he moved it. So I think after that, he wasn't planning on adding anything new. I can't find a link or anything though, and even if he said that, he could change his mind.



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Posted by Josh Fenderman on 1/31 at 1:22 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Here is the re-read thread.
LINK

I'm still doing it, but I'm not going by the timeline anymore since no one else seems to be keeping up with it. BluegrassBelle really dropped the ball on that one.

you've read half the book in a day?



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Posted by NIH on 1/31 at 1:24 pm to OMLandshark
I don't think Ramsay makes it very far out of Winterfell. I think he gets caught by Stannis or is eaten by wolves. Maybe Theon helps catch him. I think Queen Selyse, Mel, and her men will have taken control of a good portion of the Wall.


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Posted by OMLandshark on 1/31 at 1:31 pm to NIH
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I don't think Ramsay makes it very far out of Winterfell. I think he gets caught by Stannis or is eaten by wolves. Maybe Theon helps catch him. I think Queen Selyse, Mel, and her men will have taken control of a good portion of the Wall.



I'm thinking Ramsay will be taken by the Others. I want Ramsay to die screaming in terror, and that's the only thing I can come up with that would do that.



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Posted by kingbob on 1/31 at 1:44 pm to OMLandshark
super crackpot, Ramsey has been an other the whole time...and also Tyrion's pregnant with Varys's evil(er) twin Slade's child. Slade drives a motorcycle and is reviled for robbing the Silent Sisters and convincing the young hot ones to revoke their vows. He also wears Valyrian sunglasses and a leather jacket.


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Posted by BluegrassBelle on 1/31 at 1:48 pm to Josh Fenderman
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BluegrassBelle really dropped the ball on that one


You're more then welcome to start a new one if you think you can keep it up.



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Posted by Josh Fenderman on 1/31 at 1:50 pm to BluegrassBelle

No thanks.

I tried to keep it going a bit, but nobody would ever post. So I just went ahead past the timeline you had set up.



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Posted by Tiger Voodoo on 1/31 at 2:54 pm to Josh Fenderman
Thanks for linking the re-read

Yeah when I said I was almost halfway done I was only about a third actually. Jon's POV when Sam is training.

I'm reading the paperback not Kindle version so my percentage wasn't exact

But yeah I flew through it surprisingly fast. The chapters are short, and the background of the series makes it even easier to read.


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Posted by OMLandshark on 1/31 at 6:40 pm to NIH
When the Long Night comes, North of the Wall becomes the Kingdom of the Dead.


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