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If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment...
Posted by rpg37 on 5/9 at 10:35 pm
make the rules for what constitutes marriage? If there is a true separation of church and state, then marriage is unconstitutional. The government should only have the ability to allow civil unions/contracts between individuals while only a church should be allowed to grant a wedding license.

Why am I wrong?



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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan! on 5/9 at 10:36 pm to rpg37
You aren't.


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Posted by Henry Jones Jr on 5/9 at 10:37 pm to rpg37
Let each individual state determine what is marriage and what is not, then everything will be grand.


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Posted by CarrolltonTiger on 5/9 at 10:37 pm to rpg37
marriage isn't religious in nature, it is the method of the state to protecting a vital social interest: hetero sexual families

the state has no rational interst in regulating queer unions



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Posted by kingbob on 5/9 at 10:38 pm to rpg37
The reason is because of the role marriage plays in taxation, insurance benefits, medical issues, and inheritance. Because the government has a hand in all four of these things where marriage plays a large role, there must be a standard, codified definition of the word.


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Posted by joshnorris14 on 5/9 at 10:39 pm to rpg37
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If marriage is religious in nature


It isn't.



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Posted by Gmorgan4982 on 5/9 at 10:39 pm to rpg37
What is a civil union, exactly? I don't know if I like the idea of a government civil unionizing people. If this government weren't a criminal organization, I could get behind the idea of it enforcing contracts, though.


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Posted by HempHead on 5/9 at 10:39 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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vital social interest: hetero sexual families


Gotta make new taxpayers!



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Posted by RunningWithScissors on 5/9 at 10:40 pm to rpg37
'Marriage' is just a word. Would you like it better if the government used "civil union?"


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Posted by RollTide4Ever on 5/9 at 10:42 pm to RunningWithScissors
Yes.

For the prison that said queer marriages are irrelevant, what if children are involved?



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Posted by coloradoBengal on 5/9 at 10:43 pm to HempHead
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Gotta make new taxpayers!


And yet...
we allow abortion of potential tax payers.
we allow divorce.
we prohibit free immigration.
we encourage not working.
we prevent gay people from marrying and adopting/having kids.



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Posted by GumboPot on 5/9 at 10:44 pm to rpg37
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If marriage is religious in nature, how can the goverment...make the rules for what constitutes marriage?


They can"t.

For example, under the government the definition of marriage can change by the political whims of whomever is the ruling party. Currently it's just a contract. Contracts can be broken easily.

Under the Catholic Church, marriage is the covenant union of a man and woman under God and can only be boken by death. (I don't want to get into annulments and stuff).

The latter has stood the test of time and will continue to do so. The former will change (evolve) with the political whims of the state.



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Posted by GumboPot on 5/9 at 10:46 pm to joshnorris14
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quote:

If marriage is religious in nature



It isn't.







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Posted by rpg37 on 5/9 at 10:51 pm to GumboPot
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Under the Catholic Church, marriage is the covenant union of a man and woman under God and can only be boken by death. (I don't want to get into annulments and stuff).


I'm not wanting to creating a religious argument here, but I am afraid I will with this comment. I am a Catholic and believe this to be a sacrament of the religion that has been developed for hundreds of years. This is a practiced religious act between two people.



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Posted by Blue Velvet on 5/9 at 10:54 pm to rpg37
So you believe in zombies, spirits, cannibalism, and human mutilation, yet you have a problem with people getting married (despite the fact that it does not affect you)?


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Posted by TN Bhoy on 5/9 at 10:55 pm to Blue Velvet
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So you believe in zombies, spirits, cannibalism, and human mutilation, yet you have a problem with people getting married (despite the fact that it does not affect you)?





As a Catholic, I believe that the sins of every human affect me. I also have a want for all people not to send themselves to Hell.


This post was edited on 5/9 at 10:56 pm

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Posted by coloradoBengal on 5/9 at 10:56 pm to Blue Velvet
I am trying to figure out how two gay guys getting hitched, somehow cheats society out of more taxpaying offspring?

Is the presumption that they would just marry women and have kids instead?



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Posted by GumboPot on 5/9 at 10:57 pm to rpg37
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I am a Catholic and believe this to be a sacrament of the religion that has been developed for hundreds of years.


Thousands of years. Marriage was practiced before Christianity.



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Posted by Gmorgan4982 on 5/9 at 10:58 pm to coloradoBengal
"Dangit! I can't get legally married to my boyfriend?!?! Heck, I guess I'm straight now. Time to start making babies!"


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Posted by Blue Velvet on 5/9 at 10:58 pm to TN Bhoy
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I believe that the sins of every human affect me
Then you must really hate Catholicism.
quote:

I also have a want for all people not to send themselves to Hell
Where exactly is that?



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