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Posted by arlo on 5/3 at 8:47 am to meauxjeaux2
Blacklisted dog breeds


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Posted by DCRebel on 5/3 at 8:50 am to BrerTiger
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Wow, that is a pretty damning indictment of pitbulls.


Most people who purchase pit bulls purchase them specifically to fight or serve as guard dogs. If you train a dog to do that, it's going to behave that way.

You could train a freakin' labrador to attack people if you wanted. It might be a bit more difficult because all you'd need is a tennis ball to distract it, but still. My point is that if you raise a pit bull properly, it won't be any more violent than any other dog. They're very loyal dogs to their owners and they're physically very, very strong, which is why they make good guard dogs, and not necessarily because they're inherently more violent.



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Posted by DCRebel on 5/3 at 9:02 am to arlo
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Others are huskies, Dobermans, and malamutes. If I see them on my property, they're getting a load of ratshot.


Oh don't be ridiculous. Huskies? Are you shitting me? They're incredibly stoic dogs. Dobermans too. Since they're sometimes used as police dogs, people think they're mean badasses but they really just aren't. It's the same way with German Shepherds. They have this reputation of being an authoritative dog but they actually make good pets.

I don't know much about malamutes.

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Another weird psycho breed is Hungarian Viselas. I worked with a farmer who had 3 of them, and treated them like his kids. I'd been around them for about a year and they seemed like well behaved dogs. One night all three of them attacked and backed me into a corner when the farmer left us alone to get a checkbook in the other room. Eventually he had to put all three down because they kept attacking people.


That's unusual. They have a reputation of being really good pets. Vizslas (proper spelling) require a shitload of exercise and attention and can get really restless when bored, though, so they're not for everyone.



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Posted by DCRebel on 5/3 at 9:05 am to fr33manator
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I had a wonderful doberman as a boy and she was as sweet as pie, but that doesn't mean her breed doesn't have the propensity for violence.




Propensity? No. Hardly. They're physically intimidating and very, very strong, so they're more capable of inflicting damage when and where applied, but they're not more likely to attack a person than many other popular pet breeds.



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Posted by DCRebel on 5/3 at 9:08 am to fr33manator
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Not to the degree of Pitbulls and Rottweilers, but there is a reason that Dobermans have been cast as watchdogs in the media


Yeah, because they LOOK badass.

I've owned several dogs. I've had a spitz, a poodle, a lab, a doberman, and a handful of farm mutts in my life. I can say that a doberman isn't any more aggressive than a poodle or a lab, and I know lots of folks who would agree. The reason they make good guard or attack dogs is because they have huge teeth, a loud-as-hell bark, and are lean, athletic, and strong. If a doberman wants to hurt you, it can frick you up big time, but they're mostly a playful breed.

Rottweilers are the same way. They might snarl and growl a bit more, but they're actually good pets and are good with kids.



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Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt on 5/3 at 9:20 am to Zach
People who own them to project an image are the problem.

Every dog attack there ever was involved somebody being stupid.



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Posted by meauxjeaux2 on 5/3 at 9:40 am to DCRebel
See my previous post about the Razor wire on legs.


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Posted by meauxjeaux2 on 5/3 at 9:41 am to arlo
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Blacklisted dog breeds

Liberty Mutuals blacklist.



Insane I tell ya,just plain insanity.



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Posted by arlo on 5/3 at 9:47 am to DCRebel
Everyone can have their own opinion. Check my insurance link above.


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Posted by DCRebel on 5/3 at 10:19 am to arlo
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Everyone can have their own opinion. Check my insurance link above.


I see the link. That doesn't really prove much of anything. It's like saying Camaros are inherently dangerous cars because they wreck a lot when, really, it's the types of people who purchase and drive them that are the problem.

ETA: I think that analogy works rather well, now that I think of it. Consider why sports cars are more expensive to insure. Is it because they, as automobiles themselves, are more dangerous, or is it because the types of people who purchase them are more likely to speed and wreck?


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Posted by arlo on 5/3 at 11:49 am to DCRebel
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ETA: I think that analogy works rather well, now that I think of it. Consider why sports cars are more expensive to insure. Is it because they, as automobiles themselves, are more dangerous, or is it because the types of people who purchase them are more likely to speed and wreck?


There are multiple factors. Vehicle cost, location, driver age group, accident history. I'd imagine collision on a late model Rolls with a professional driver would be much greater than a '70s MGB driven by an accident prone driver.

As far as "vizlas" go, all three that I had experience with were put down because of violent behavior. Your mileage may vary.

When I kicked my FIL's dobermans that went after my son, they were all over the dogs saying, "There there babies. It's OK." I asked them if they were crazy. Didn't they realize their dogs had attacked their grandson? I'm not saying you're the clueless dog owner type who think their 70 lb dog is not capable of hurting anyone, but certain dog breeds have a greater risk.

I don't care if you get a pit bull and feed it gunpowder. As the dog owner, YOU take the responsibility for what it does.

ETA: Sorry. One of my pet peeves are dog owners who don't control their animals and inflict them on their neighbors.


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Posted by Zach on 5/3 at 11:51 am to arlo
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Presa Canarios.


That's it! I've been trying to remember the name of the dog I read about a year ago. It's the Presa Canarios. The description of the breed said "The Presa Canario loves it's owner. It hates every other human on the planet."



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Posted by secfan123 on 5/3 at 11:57 am to DCRebel
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My point is that if you raise a pit bull properly, it won't be any more violent than any other dog



Says Katherine Houpt, director of the Animal Behavior Clinic at Cornell and author of Domestic Animal Behavior: "Different breeds have genetic predispositions to certain kinds of behavior, though that can be influenced by how they are raised. The pit bull is an innately aggressive breed, often owned by someone who wants an aggressive dog, so they're going to encourage it."



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Posted by arlo on 5/3 at 12:10 pm to Zach
There was a moron around here who offered me a wolf/husky puppy for $250. I told him I wasn't spending $250 to invite a lawsuit.



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Posted by Erin Go Bragh on 5/3 at 12:44 pm to Zach
Some dog breeds are aggressive by nature but to what degree they express that aggressiveness depends, in large part, on how they are raised. I don't believe you can remove a dogs instincts but you can modify their behavior in specific settings.

My brother has three akitas and if you threw three pit bulls into their environment their instincts would kick in and those pit bulls would have a life expectancy of about 30 seconds.

And yet they are three of the sweetest dogs I know. Well, two of them are. One I wouldn't turn my back on.



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Posted by Zach on 5/3 at 12:50 pm to Erin Go Bragh
It's all about risk assessment. If you get a tea cup poodle there is zero chance it will kill someone. If you get a dog on Arlo's link, you run a risk.

The idea of wolf-dog hybrids reminds me of a quote: "There is a little wolf in every dog. There is not a little dog in every wolf."



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Posted by MinnesotaTiger on 5/3 at 12:54 pm to Zach
I don't get the attachment to pit bulls. They aren't that great a breed. I'd say they're below average when everything is factored in.

Boxers are far superior dogs to pit bulls in both looks and temperament and they are still considered "tough manly dogs".


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Posted by Erin Go Bragh on 5/3 at 12:54 pm to Zach
I didn't read the entire thread so I apologize if previously mentioned but a Baton Rouge judge recently imposed the death sentence on a wolf/dog.

The warden at Angola intervened and is taking the dog to the prison to roam the property.

Happy to see that ending



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Posted by infantry1026 on 5/3 at 1:07 pm to Rex
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And we both know that black labradors are the very best


Don't forget about German Shepherds and Huskies!



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Posted by Zach on 5/3 at 1:07 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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Boxers are far superior dogs to pit bulls in both looks and temperament and they are still considered "tough manly dogs".

We have several boxers living on our street. When the wife goes jogging they demand that she stop and give them some petting. And they do actually punch with their front paws. Wonderful breed.



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