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re: phil simms leaves bama
Posted by lynxcat on 4/29 at 4:39 am to mytigger
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please. he's leaving b/c McCarron established himself as the starter and he'll never even sniff the field if he stays at Alabama.



This.



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Posted by Francis Marion on 4/29 at 12:53 pm to TutHillTiger



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Posted by MetTiger on 4/30 at 2:02 pm to TutHillTiger
I'm going to take a unpopular position probably here. As per Saban "processing" players, he is in a unique position where he can get away with it. It's called WIN AT ALL COSTS. And the reality is there is no NCAA rule against to my knowledge.

The key here is it seems to be working. You can only have so many scholarships. And if 2012 Recruit A is better than 2010 Player B, then by processing him your team is better. And it seems to be working fine for NS.

Processing stinks, and its happening more than ever as it becomes accepted as a cost of winning. The thing is, the time spent talking to recruits' parents virtually ceases once the LOI is in. So NS doesn't have to explain anything to them.

Processing is just another rotten part of the recruiting game, and things aren't getting better. The honestly with existing players is going downhill, and so have recruit's with colleges (see GK). It's one big lie-fest sometimes.

Recruits would be wise to not spew off on their choices, when beforelong the recruit may be processed before they sign their LOI. That's called "cooling".

As long as a recruit gets good advice, they should know what they are getting into, anywhere, but especially Bama. They do it because they want to win. A-list players maybe won't have to worry, but anyone else should. It may be bush, but it's not illegal. And it's working.




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Posted by Gravitiger on 4/30 at 2:30 pm to MetTiger
LSU and Miles would never "process" anyone. Just ask Jhyryn Taylor, Thomas Parsons, Kellen Theriot, Chris Garrett, Cordian Hagans, or Kyle Prater.

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Posted by Captain Crown on 4/30 at 2:49 pm to Gravitiger
need to update that bama pic

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Posted by Burt Reynolds on 4/30 at 3:27 pm to RBWilliams8
Exactly. Saban does not givea a shite about his players.


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Posted by LSUBrad5277 on 5/1 at 5:04 am to MetTiger
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I'm going to take a unpopular position probably here. As per Saban "processing" players, he is in a unique position where he can get away with it. It's called WIN AT ALL COSTS. And the reality is there is no NCAA rule against to my knowledge.

The key here is it seems to be working. You can only have so many scholarships. And if 2012 Recruit A is better than 2010 Player B, then by processing him your team is better. And it seems to be working fine for NS.




He gonna be screwed if they decide to go to a four or even two year guaranteed scholarship for recruits assuming the recruit meets certain established criteria.






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Posted by Anodyne on 5/1 at 8:21 am to LSUBrad5277
What is up with Bama and black QBS. I think, correct me if I am wrong, that they have had one black starting QB is the last 25 years (Andrew Zow)?


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Posted by JOHNN on 5/1 at 12:49 pm to Anodyne
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What is up with Bama and black QBS. I think, correct me if I am wrong, that they have had one black starting QB is the last 25 years (Andrew Zow)?




Call Finebaum an ask him to replay his show from yesterday. They spent about 2 hours going through this topic and it obviously started a black v white debate.



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Posted by beaumont livingston on 5/1 at 2:28 pm to Anodyne
In his case he wasn't going to start over McCarron. Why not transfer unless riding the bench or coming in during junk time made him happy. Besides Star Jackson what other qb has there been? Should they have received more playing time? Its not a black qb thing.


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Posted by omegaman66 on 5/1 at 2:45 pm to beaumont livingston
Two things!

1. It is McCarrion, get it right.
2. Can someone explain to me why the racist stopped being racist for one qb and then reverted?



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Posted by Gravitiger on 5/1 at 2:46 pm to LSUBrad5277
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He gonna be screwed if they decide to go to a four or even two year guaranteed scholarship for recruits assuming the recruit meets certain established criteria
He's already come out in favor of four-year scholarships and committed that Bama will start offering them, even if the NCAA does not require it.

Saban, Bama will offer 4-year scholarships



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Posted by Larry Hollins on 5/1 at 2:59 pm to Gravitiger
so what if you have a 4 year deal. can't a coach just call a guy in and tell him he will never play
and then start treating him like shite until player decides to leave on his own. I don't believe much will change unless there is some scholarship reduction if a certain no. of player leave, transfer, take medical route etc.



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Posted by Gravitiger on 5/1 at 3:01 pm to Larry Hollins
I think that's why Saban, Miles, Meyer, etc. don't oppose the four-year scholarship rule. Practically speaking, it won't really affect them, anyway.


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Posted by Anodyne on 5/1 at 3:03 pm to beaumont livingston
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In his case he wasn't going to start over McCarron. Why not transfer unless riding the bench or coming in during junk time made him happy. Besides Star Jackson what other qb has there been? Should they have received more playing time? Its not a black qb thing.


I'm honestly not trying to make it some big issue. It is just odd relative to every other SEC school with the exception of maybe Florida.

Bama rarely has black starting QBs historically speaking. Zow is the only one I can remember.

The then begs the question, is this some oddity with no real explanation or should black QB recruits take pause before considering Bama as a destination for their services? The State of Alabama has one of the highest population densities of African Americans and is obviously Bama's primary recruiting base.

I didn't hear Finebaum but I bet that was interesting.



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Posted by Gravitiger on 5/1 at 3:10 pm to Anodyne
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It is just odd relative to every other SEC school with the exception of maybe Florida.
When was South Carolina's last black QB? Arkansas'? Tennessee had one year of Tee Martin, anybody else? UGA started Shockley for one year, but any before that? I guess Kentucky and Vandy have had a couple but they are really football afterthoughts.

Seems to me that LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss and State are the exceptions in the SEC when it comes to black quarterbacks. And LSU is really the only one who has had multiple black passing QB's. Ole Miss and State have had a few athletes playing QB, but not traditional QB's at all.
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The then begs the question, is this some oddity with no real explanation or should black QB recruits take pause before considering Bama as a destination for their services? The State of Alabama has one of the highest population densities of African Americans and is obviously Bama's primary recruiting base.
Zow was not popular when he was there (many wanted Watts as the starter, even as pitiful as he was), and other schools probably still use that against Bama: "The only black QB they ever had got treated like crap." Even if it wasn't because he was black.


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Posted by Francis Marion on 5/1 at 7:23 pm to Gravitiger
Does it really matter what color the QB is? We are in the year 2012, I loved Herb Tyler and JR, it just seems a moot point at this stage in history.


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Posted by NoleBama on 5/3 at 10:38 am to Francis Marion



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Posted by TheDrunkenTigah on 5/3 at 10:50 am to Gravitiger
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I think that's why Saban, Miles, Meyer, etc. don't oppose the four-year scholarship rule. Practically speaking, it won't really affect them, anyway.


This. Just because the rule changes to a set amount of time, doesn't mean that it's any harder to run a kid off the way big time coaches do it. An "unspecified violation of team rules" usually means a failed drug test, but it literally can be anything, and that's grounds to yank the schollie. Also as someone mentioned, all it takes is a phone call for the kid to find out he will never see the field, and leave on his own.

That being said, all the accounts from the players paint a much less bleak picture. Essentially Saban tells players that they are going to be expected to keep up their end of the deal if they want to stay. It can be debated all day whether he says this before or after they sign on the dotted line, but regardless the players know it's not a free ride. Les Miles does the same thing, especially this time of year.

At the end of the day, what's better for the kid? Keeping them on the hook when you know they'll never crack third string, on the off chance that position gets riddled with injury, or telling them straight up they'll do better starting at a smaller school?



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Posted by BhamTigah on 5/3 at 11:19 am to Gravitiger
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"The only black QB they ever had got treated like crap."


Walter Lewis was black.

ETA: Probably still black.


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