So what would be the rules/guidelines of a Religion & Philosophy Board?
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re: So what would be the rules/guidelines of a Religion & Philosophy Board?
Posted by Gmorgan4982 on 4/30 at 3:08 am to Athanasius
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why did Religion get banned from PT?
My theory: Christians from the Political Talk Board complained about religious topics. The admins are Christian and, thus, had a sympathetic ear.
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Why was it moved to OT?
The admins thought it would work there.
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Why was it moved from there?
My theory: Christians from the OT complained about religious topics. The admins are Christian and, thus, had a sympathetic ear.
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Is it banned altogether now?
Yep
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Is it true getting it's own Religious board is it's only hope to have such talk anywhere? And if so, why would someone think that way?
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As a non regular, imo, why can't just normal rules apply, put Religion and Philosophy speech in with PT as they are are basically the same thing.
Seems reasonable but it's not going to happen.



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Posted by Tom288 on 4/30 at 10:42 am to Athanasius
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Atheist's have removed God from their life. Atheist desire that God be removed from all politics, the schools, and the public forum too. Atheist's whose mission it is to attack Biblical Concepts and anything of God are quite zealous in this task. And they are quite prevalent on this website and attempting to do so. Such does not bother me in the slightest with these Atheist aggressions for I know the Truth and can easily defend it. However when a civil Christian tries to offer threads that Atheist's do not like they cannot stand it and they boil over and make a fit.




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True Biblical Christians are in the greatest of minorities on this website, which is fine. And long-held Christian viewpoints are in the vast minority on any forum in this website. And the most vocal enemies unto Christianity are Witches, Atheist and Homosexuals. It is no great shock as to why that is as Scripture speaks out against all 3 quite plainly.





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Posted by Gmorgan4982 on 4/30 at 11:38 am to Tom288
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However when a civil Christian tries to offer threads that Atheist's do not like they cannot stand it and they boil over and make a fit.
I guess he doesn't realize that the boiling point was a "Was Jesus Gay" thread. Doesn't sound like something atheists would boil over about.
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And the most vocal enemies unto Christianity are Witches, Atheist and Homosexuals.



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Posted by LSUSaintsHornets on 4/30 at 7:12 pm to Athanasius
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Atheist's have removed God from their life. Atheist desire that God be removed from all politics, the schools, and the public forum too. Atheist's whose mission it is to attack Biblical Concepts and anything of God are quite zealous in this task. And they are quite prevalent on this website and attempting to do so. Such does not bother me in the slightest with these Atheist aggressions for I know the Truth and can easily defend it. However when a civil Christian tries to offer threads that Atheist's do not like they cannot stand it and they boil over and make a fit.

What the....

Anyway I think if this new board isn't happening then please let these topics exist on the poliboard. This notion that every few weeks religion takes over the polibard is ridiculous and it is by far a better home for the topic than the OT.



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Posted by Cs on 4/30 at 7:46 pm to Doc Fenton
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For the PT, I think the rule would have to be that the political tie-in would have to be to an actual official action or proposed law/bill.


You would think this would apply to any topic, not just religion.

But here we are, discussing which thread should go where, when, in fact, it seems the admins themselves are unaware of the policies they've put in place.

Here's a relatively new science thread with zero political valence that was posted on Political Talk (by an admin)

In response to this, the admin replies...

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Science articles have always gone on the Poli Board.


Yeah, except when they're posted on the OT.

In the first few pages of the OT, we find this, as well as this.Two science threads, linking to science articles, that were allowed to thrive on the OT.

So, either the admins are overtly incompetent with respect to thread management, or are blatantly indifferent. The discussion in this thread is meaningless until they can all get on the same page.


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Posted by Doc Fenton on 4/30 at 8:39 pm to Cs
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You would think this would apply to any topic, not just religion.


It would seem to make sense, but by tradition the boards have evolved in another direction. I am proposing a new rule, not explaining an old one; and I would not want it applied too strictly to non-religious matters. Your occasional humor thread is nothing to get bent out of shape with. It's the spam that truly sucks the fun out of everything.

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Science articles have always gone on the Poli Board.


Which is true, but they have also always gone on the OT board as well.

You can't make up rules for every possible contingency, which is why the possible creation of a new board is being debated.



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Posted by Cs on 4/30 at 10:06 pm to Doc Fenton
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Which is true, but they have also always gone on the OT board as well.

You can't make up rules for every possible contingency, which is why the possible creation of a new board is being debated.


Well, if science articles have always gone on Political Talk, then they have never, and should never, have gone on the OT. If I have always gone to Starbucks every morning for breakfast, then it follows that I haven't gone anywhere else for breakfast.

However, we've historically seen science articles posted on the OT as well. So, the statement, "science articles have always gone on Political Talk" is demonstrably incorrect.

It's about consistency. We're aware posting trends have evolved such that more sophisticated and educational discussions are posted on Political Talk. But why? This trend had a beginning. When the first science thread emerged on Political Talk, however many years ago, an admin decided not to move it, despite the thread having nothing to do with politics. The cycle repeated itself, establishing a trend, and culminated to the admin's most recent post, where he made us aware that "science articles have always been posted on Political Talk." Well, why? Because however many years ago, an admin was indifferent and decided not to move the science thread, despite the fact that it had nothing to do with politics.

So, if science articles with no political significance are allowed on Political Talk, why are religious threads with no political significance disallowed? Science threads can easily generate the levels of controversy and volatility commonly seen in religion threads. What if I created a thread on Political Talk that linked to an article discussing a new breakthrough in OLED technology? Obviously, this is science, but it has nothing to do with politics. Since it's not the type of "science" that has "always been posted to Political Talk", how quickly would it be removed?

This is why it seems that the admins manage threads whimsically, and will lightly enforce (or ignore) one policy while strictly enforcing another. You're right, you can't make up rules for every contingency. But this website doesn't have a substantial amount of boards. It's not difficult to sit down and explicitly outline where certain content should be placed. I think this is something they need to work on for the current collection of boards before adding another variable to the mix.


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Posted by L.A. on 4/30 at 11:09 pm to Cs
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So, if science articles with no political significance are allowed on Political Talk, why are religious threads with no political significance disallowed?
Because for some reason people turn into giant tards when discussing religion. And both sides of the debate were guilty, religious people and atheists.

As for your other question, science threads can go on the O-T. There's no problem with that. Heck, they started out there since the O-T predates the Political Board by quite a bit of time. When I said they've always gone on the Political Board, what I meant was that they've always been welcome on the Political Board. The O-T has always been fine for science threads and it still is.


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Posted by TheDoc on 5/1 at 6:07 am to Athanasius
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civil Christian tries to offer threads


You should probably go look at the hundreds of threads made by Christians calling out atheists attempting to incite flaming.



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Posted by TheDoc on 5/1 at 6:08 am to Tom288
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And the most vocal enemies unto Christianity are Witches, Atheist and Homosexuals.


Holy shit



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Posted by TheDoc on 5/1 at 6:13 am to L.A.
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Because for some reason people turn into giant tards when discussing religion. And both sides of the debate were guilty, religious people and atheists.


As long as they aren't breaking the rules, what is the problem exactly?

Aren't more posts good for this website?



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Posted by theunknownknight on 5/1 at 11:15 am to Chicken
Does the mulling continue?


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Posted by mizzoukills on 5/1 at 3:49 pm to theunknownknight



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Posted by Doc Fenton on 5/1 at 4:13 pm to TheDoc
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Because for some reason people turn into giant tards when discussing religion. And both sides of the debate were guilty, religious people and atheists.


As long as they aren't breaking the rules, what is the problem exactly?

Aren't more posts good for this website?


You can't judge what a certain type of thread does to overall website traffic just by taking note of the number of posts in those particular types of threads.

When the environment of a message board suffers, it's entirely possible for high-post-count threads to be a large factor in driving away potential traffic and participation on other threads.

Like the Austrians always say when it comes to policy decisions with unintended consequences, it's the losses of things that never materialized (and thus can't be counted) that are the worst ones.



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Posted by Doc Fenton on 5/1 at 4:16 pm to theunknownknight
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Does the mulling continue?


I would imagine so, since nobody seems to be coming up with any feedback on what the rules should be for religious-themed threads if a new board is added.

I put up a rough draft on pg. 12, but so far all we have are people making generic statements. If you are in favor of the old system, that's fine, but for anybody wanting a new board, how about giving your input on what the rule should be on sending religious-themed threads to various boards?



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Posted by catholictigerfan on 5/1 at 5:28 pm to Doc Fenton
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the only requirement should be that you are striving for serious and thoughtful discussion on a topic rather than making a flame or playing a game of "gotcha!" with a recent embarrassing or socially/politically controversial news story. As an example, one of Wiki's threads with data and graphs building a case for why religion is becoming obsolete would be just fine.


I think this rule is a must, the example you bring up about wiki is a good one, that should if none flames should turn into a good intellectual discussion.

but a thread like "priest shows gay porn" "to many pedophiles in the Church, we shouldn't listen to them" "Evangelical pastor caught cheating on wife" or "atheist are smarter then Christians therefore religion is false"

but rather have discussions like "how can God exist in a world were there is evil" "Can the world exist without a eternal necessary being" or "Why are human superior to animals?"




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Posted by Doc Fenton on 5/1 at 5:45 pm to catholictigerfan
There you go!




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Posted by LSUSOBEAST1 on 5/1 at 6:16 pm to Doc Fenton
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There also seems to be a very small contingent of posters, a 4th group consisting perhaps of just myself, who dream of a more philosophically-oriented board centered around philosophy, science, morality, and the evolution of human morality under various religious systems and worldviews. But maybe I'm being incoherent. As much as I hate being inundated with threads based on personal anecdotes or random news stories from the day, they seem to go with the territory of any board you could possibly create.


This



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Posted by BrerTiger on 5/2 at 4:06 pm to Doc Fenton
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For the new board, the only requirement should be that you are striving for serious and thoughtful discussion on a topic rather than making a flame or playing a game of "gotcha!" with a recent embarrassing or socially/politically controversial news story


So, you're proposing banning articles like "Was Jesus Gay?"



I retract my support for a new board.




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Posted by BrerTiger on 5/2 at 4:08 pm to Doc Fenton
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There also seems to be a very small contingent of posters, a 4th group consisting perhaps of just myself, who dream of a more philosophically-oriented board centered around philosophy, science, morality, and the evolution of human morality under various religious systems and worldviews. But maybe I'm being incoherent. As much as I hate being inundated with threads based on personal anecdotes or random news stories from the day, they seem to go with the territory of any board you could possibly create.


This sounds wonderful.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Oops, that's Chicken's line.




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