Lawrence O'donnell explains penalty for not buying health ins..
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Posted by mule74 on 4/7 at 1:29 pm to DA
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No evidence?


No evidence?



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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 1:32 pm to DA
Read the fricking bill cowboy...

Hint HR 3590 - Sec 1501 - sec 5000a (g)




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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 1:34 pm to igoringa
For charity purposes:

‘‘(g) ADMINISTRATION AND PROCEDURE.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The penalty provided by this section
shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and
except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and
collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under
subchapter B of chapter 68.
‘‘(2) SPECIAL RULES.—Notwithstanding any other provision
of law—
‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of
any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed
by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any
criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary
shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property
of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the
penalty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to
such failure.’’.

Now note where the retards in the video started their quote to conclude it is not 'enforcable' in hopes that fricking retards would parrot it around.

Devils Advocate - Misssion Accomplished.

Perhaps you should take up reading?



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Posted by DA on 4/7 at 1:41 pm to igoringa
And?


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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 1:42 pm to DA
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And?


You are beyond hopeless... perhaps we can meet sometime and I will act out the words with hand puppets to help bridge the gap.



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Posted by PVillePandG on 4/7 at 1:42 pm to DA
Devil's Advocate = Owned


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Posted by DA on 4/7 at 1:44 pm to igoringa
WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of
any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed
by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any
criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.



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Posted by mule74 on 4/7 at 1:46 pm to DA
quote:

shall be assessed and
collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under
subchapter B of chapter 68.


THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY
THEY WILL COLLECT THE MONEY



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Posted by DA on 4/7 at 1:48 pm to mule74
For those who decide to pay. Where specifically doers it say they will take your money.?


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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 1:51 pm to DA
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For those who decide to pay. Where specifically doers it say they will take your money.?


Oh my god, you cannot be this dense. The law simply says:

1) If you dont get insurance you pay a penalty
2) The IRS can use any action under Subchapter B of Chapter 68 to collect except the 'special rules' exemption (no criminal penalties or liens on properties).

Is your stupidity based on just a complete lack of language skills or do you feel the 2 special rules are the only remedies under Subchapter B. Perhaps you can just wait until someone else reads it to you again 'numbnuts'



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Posted by mule74 on 4/7 at 1:53 pm to DA
quote:

For those who decide to pay. Where specifically doers it say they will take your money.?


Per

quote:

subchapter B of chapter 68.


it says they can garnish your wages.

Now either they will garnish you wages (in which the mandate is de facto enforceable) and as Ignoria said you little video was half right. Of course given you ACORN thread I know you hate half truths.

Or they won't use their ability to garnish wages (which I doubt) in which case this entire bill is a sham because the mandate is the centerpiece of paying for the legislation. Without it, the bill goes from unaffordable to really fricking unaffordable.

Again, I don't know why you would want to argue either way because this is a no win position for a leftist such as yourself.



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Posted by NC_Tigah on 4/7 at 1:56 pm to DA
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No evidence?
Like several others here, I'm firewalled from the Link. You've not summarized it. If it was Olbermann, that was probably very wise. Here's some info from factcheck.org:
quote:

It is being widely reported that the health care bill has the following language: "Section 7203: misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year." Additionally it’s being reported that fines and imprisonment could be as much as $250,000 and 5 years in jail.

FULL ANSWER

The letter attached to our reader’s question was written by Thomas Barthold, chief of staff of the House Joint Committee on Taxation, to Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, on the subject of enforcing the individual health insurance mandate of H.R. 3962, the House-passed bill. That mandate requires people to have health insurance, unless they are below a certain income threshold ($9,350 for singles, $18,700 for couples in 2009). Those who don’t get coverage will be subject to a tax of 2.5 percent of their adjusted income beyond that threshold, up to the cost of the average national premium.

The letter from the JCT includes a list of civil and criminal penalties. These aren’t penalties for not buying insurance, however. They’re penalties for refusing to pay the resulting tax.

Barthold’s letter says: Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

Section 7203 - misdemeanor wilful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
Section 7201 - felony wilful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.

These are not sections of the House bill itself. Rather, they are sections of the current Internal Revenue Code, laying out the consequences of willful tax nonpayment. (Here’s section 7203, section 7201, and an additional section that sets a higher fine than 7201, as noted in the letter’s footnotes.)

As Barthold points out in his letter, "the majority of delinquent taxes and penalties are collected through the civil process," without resort to criminal penalties. Prison terms are relatively rare. Barthold notes that in 2008 a total of 498 persons were incarcerated for federal tax crimes, while the Internal Revenue Service assessed 392,000 civil penalties for inaccurate tax returns. Imprisonment would require the government to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the tax evasion was "willful" and the accused had the ability to pay.

Letter from written by Thomas Barthold, chief of staff of the House Joint Committee on Taxation



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Posted by mule74 on 4/7 at 1:57 pm to igoringa
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igoringa


How excited do you think the braintrust at Huff/MSNBC was when they read this?

They didn't even bother to read the subchapter to understand what powers were acutally being limited, instead they just wet themselves and ran to get on air.



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Posted by coloradoBengal on 4/7 at 1:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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The letter from the JCT includes a list of civil and criminal penalties. These aren’t penalties for not buying insurance, however. They’re penalties for refusing to pay the resulting tax.






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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 2:03 pm to mule74
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How excited do you think the braintrust at Huff/MSNBC was when they read this?

They didn't even bother to read the subchapter to understand what powers were acutally being limited, instead they just wet themselves and ran to get on air.


Exactly... in hopes some village idiot would puppet it around. We have such a village idiot.... and he toted that mail!!!!




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Posted by PVillePandG on 4/7 at 2:05 pm to igoringa
Ya'll better watch it...DA is going to add this to his list!!!!


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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 2:07 pm to PVillePandG
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Ya'll better watch it...DA is going to add this to his list!!!!


:rotflmao:



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Posted by DA on 4/7 at 3:35 pm to igoringa
The question was what will happen if you don't pay the penalty. Yes, I can see the IRS keeping your tax refund if you have one. But nobody is going to jail or be subject to any other punishment.


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Posted by LSURussian on 4/7 at 3:38 pm to Lsut81
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So the penalty for failing to pay the tax if you fail to have insurance is nothing"


Guess who just decided not to buy insurance??

<============= This guy!



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Posted by igoringa on 4/7 at 4:07 pm to DA
quote:

The question was what will happen if you don't pay the penalty.


The topic of your post is "Lawrence O'donnell explains penalty for not buying health ins". Your words not mine. He was wrong when he said the dirty little secret was it is not enforceable. You danced around defending him because 'he read the bill' (which is obviously something you didnt as if you had it would have been clear that it is enforcable).

quote:

Yes, I can see the IRS keeping your tax refund if you have one.


Again, why do you refuse to acknowledge the realities of subchapter B of chapter 8. Their remedies go well beyond simply keeping your refund. Again, 'numbnuts', perhaps you should follow your own advice and read the bill.

quote:

But nobody is going to jail or be subject to any other punishment.


Jail no, other punishments... yes. Wage garnishments is the obvious example that is allowed under subchapter B of Chapter 68 (wages are not 'property').

As I mentioned, the yahoo was half right in that the scare tactics are not in place, but he is absolutely positively dead wrong and purposefully deceived when he said it was not 'enforcable' in anyway.

Again, read the bill.



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