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They Supported Biden in 2020. What Made Them Change Their Minds in 2024?

Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:36 pm
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Frederick Westbrook, a retired Las Vegas hotel worker, voted for President Joe Biden in 2020 — as a vote to get Donald Trump out of office. He now calls that “the biggest mistake of my life.”

“As a Black man in America, I felt he was doing unjust things,” he said of Trump. “He’s got a big mouth, he’s not a nice person.” None of that, in his view, has changed. But one thing has.


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“Everything is just about the economy,” said Westbrook, who has started driving for Lyft to support himself on a fixed income in retirement. “I don’t really trust Donald Trump at all. I just think housing, food, my car, my insurance, every single piece of living has gone up.”

In a recent set of polls, Trump led Biden in five of six key battleground states, including Nevada. Across the states, Biden does not have the support of 14% of the respondents who said they voted for him in 2020 — voters like Westbrook who now say they will support Trump or a third-party candidate, or are undecided or won’t vote.

In follow-up interviews, many poll respondents were engaged on certain issues, and said those that Democrats are strongest on, like abortion rights and preserving democracy, were also important to them. They disliked Trump’s personality — a reason many voted against him in 2020 — and weren’t necessarily set on their vote.

But other issues had come to the fore and made them unhappy with how things were going — particularly inflation, immigration and foreign policy.

Altogether, the defectors account for just 6% of registered voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to the new surveys by The New York Times, The Philadelphia Inquirer and Siena College. But they could play a decisive role.

They include Democrats, Republicans and independents who voted for Biden in 2020. Many still support Democrats for Senate, suggesting that Biden still has a chance to regain support from some of them.

Jaredd Johnson, 25, who works in marketing in Atlanta, said he supported Biden in 2020 because he hoped he would return the country to a prepandemic normal, but he doesn’t think he has. Though Johnson has reservations about Trump, he plans to vote for him.


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He said he worries that priorities abroad are distracting from those at home. In conversations with friends and family, he said, they understand the importance of supporting Ukraine and Israel, sending aid to the Gaza Strip and helping immigrants.

But, he said, “Our conversations are suddenly less about what’s happening overseas and more about how we are struggling here, too.”

Biden defectors are likelier than others who voted for Biden in 2020 to say the economy is poor and to want fundamental change to the way things work. They more often are young or Hispanic — groups that have historically voted for Democrats in large numbers, but are to some degree moving toward Republicans. (There are not major differences in the education level of voters who are sticking with Biden and those who aren’t.)

The surveys found fewer voters moving in the other direction: There were less than half as many Trump defectors in the swing states as there were Biden defectors.

Biden Defectors Don’t Necessarily Like Trump

Christopher Sheffield, 61, a counselor for veterans in Thomasville, Georgia, said Trump’s attitudes about race bothered him, but not as much as his concern that conflicts abroad could devolve into a world war.

“I’m an African American — of course I worry about racism,” he said. “But guess what? I’ve been dealing with that my whole life.”

Biden is “a good guy,” Sheffield said. “But when I look at him, he looks weak. With North Korea, Putin, and all those boys ready to act, I think they will be a little bit more reluctant to challenge Trump than they would with Biden.” He plans to vote for Trump.

They’re Unhappy With the Economy

Though the economy is strong by many traditional measures, half of all registered voters in the surveys said it was poor — including nearly three-quarters of Biden defectors. By comparison, just 1 in 6 of those who plan to vote for Biden again rated the economy as poor.

In interviews, the Biden defectors repeatedly brought up prices. Inflation is still lingering at 3.4%, although it has slowed significantly since its 2022 high (9%).

Virginia Faris, 54, who lives in Wisconsin, is very satisfied with how things are going for her. But her four young adult children are struggling financially. She blames “Biden’s policies of overspending and printing money,” and plans to vote for Trump. She said, though, there’s a small chance she’ll change her mind, depending on how the election plays out. (Wisconsin was the only swing state in the poll in which Biden led among registered voters. Among likely voters, Biden led only in Michigan.)

They Want Major Changes

Biden defectors were more likely than Biden supporters to say the country needs big, fundamental change. Nearly 6 in 10 defectors believe that, while a similar share of Biden loyalists say they want to return politics to normal.

“All of our core values are gone, gone, and I’m just not pleased at all,” said Amelia Earwood, 47, a safety trainer at the U.S. Postal Service in Georgia.

She believes the U.S. political and economic systems need to be torn down. Her list of dissatisfactions is long: inflation, illegal immigration, the Biden administration’s recent delay of an arms shipment to Israel.

She called Trump “a horrible human being,” but added, “I’m voting on his policies, and I think that he could straighten this country out, while Biden made a ginormous mess out of it.”

Some Support Neither Trump Nor Biden

Like Earwood, most Biden defectors said they weren’t thrilled with either candidate.

Joseph Drobena, 63, a field engineer and a veteran living in Salem, Wisconsin, voted for Biden in 2020 because he thought Trump was too friendly toward President Vladimir Putin of Russia, and he was unsure about Trump’s involvement in Russian interference in the 2016 election.

He’s still worried about that, but said he was “supporting Trump grudgingly,” because he does not like how the Biden administration has handled domestic concerns, including crime and homelessness.

Then again, he doesn’t think Trump is strong on social policy, either. As he discussed his views, he said his support for Trump was wavering, and he would consider voting for the independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. if he had enough support to be a viable contender.

“We have to do better than one of these two,” he said.

c.2024 The New York Times Company


https://www.yahoo.com/news/supported-biden-2020-made-them-121102120.html
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69048 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:40 pm to
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Jaredd Johnson, 25, who works in marketing in Atlanta, said he supported Biden in 2020 because he hoped he would return the country to a prepandemic normal



What an idiot.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36290 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 12:49 pm to
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Jaredd Johnson, 25, who works in marketing in Atlanta, said he supported Biden in 2020 because he hoped he would return the country to a prepandemic normal

Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29550 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:29 pm to
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I don’t really trust Donald Trump at all. I just think housing, food, my car, my insurance, every single piece of living has gone up.”


And.. this voter trusted Biden????

That’s hilarious..

But yes everything has gone way up and he can thank himself for that

You can tell all these people watch msnbc and cnn religiously bc all their problems with trump are about his character and how mean or terrible he is and not actually about his policies


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Joseph Drobena, 63, a field engineer and a veteran living in Salem, Wisconsin, voted for Biden in 2020 because he thought Trump was too friendly toward President Vladimir Putin of Russia, and he was unsure about Trump’s involvement in Russian interference in the 2016 election.


What a freaking sheep . That was all proven to be completely made up and false.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9749 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:33 pm to
shite like this reminds me how fricking dumb the average person is.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
6985 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:34 pm to
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And.. this voter trusted Biden????

He was told by the media not to trust Trump. And he believed them. This article just put names to some of the NPCs we knew existed.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18892 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:35 pm to
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They Supported Biden in 2020. What Made Them Change Their Minds in 2024?
Everything in OP can be summed up by answering, I made a trip to the service station and grocery store.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82513 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:37 pm to
Lets goooooo
Posted by SWINC
Member since Sep 2022
143 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:40 pm to
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shite like this reminds me how fricking dumb the average person is.


They are dumbern shite. I mean really dumb
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46493 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:42 pm to
I still see many of these Anti Trumpers claim Trump is a racist but they can never give serious evidence of Trump being a racist.

I've had many encounters with Dim voters who also believe Trump is a racist and that systemic racism exist throughout American society, when I ask them to keep on talking and give me examples the conversation always abruptly ends.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31233 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:44 pm to
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when I ask them to keep on talking and give me examples the conversation always abruptly ends.


Exactly
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
9284 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 1:46 pm to
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Biden is “a good guy,” Sheffield said.


I never understood how Biden was seen as a good guy.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42904 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:09 pm to
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Jaredd Johnson, 25

born in 1999 - started school in 2005 - became aware of politics during Obama - never had a chance without great parentage

now seeing reality in their face.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31233 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:15 pm to
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now seeing reality in their face.


We have a whole generation that cannot afford their first house.

Reality is a bitch.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51870 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:26 pm to
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I don’t really trust Donald Trump at all. I just think housing, food, my car, my insurance, every single piece of living has gone up.”


And.. this voter trusted Biden????


Not everyone follows politics, but everyone hears about it. Those that only hear, generally hear it from the major news media. During the entirety of Trump's term all we heard from the media was how all he did was lie, how he was a Russian plant, etc.

When the election came around, the major news media downplayed the Hunter laptop story, refused to make the comparison of quid pro Joe on Ukraine funding, gleefully ran with the "top intel officials claim the Hunter Biden laptop story is Russian disinformation", ignored the Ashley Biden diary, ignored the Tara Reade story, etc. all to paint Joe in the best light possible in order to get the target of their ire (Trump) out of office.

The people following that blindly thought Fox was the great demon because it promoted Trump, little realizing that they too had begun moving from him. Aside from indie sources like Newsmax, Rantingly and others, the other side of many stories and contrary stances were never heard (right, vax manufacturers?)

Hopefully, this lesson will teach more people not to just blindly trust the nightly news and do at least a little digging on their own when they hear contrary statements about something or someone in politics.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
50089 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:27 pm to
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“He’s got a big mouth,


Easiest thing Trump could change, yet he refuses to do so.

I remember a one on one interview he did back in 2016 where he came across very well. Thoughtful, not bombastic, even "presidential", so yes he can do it.

He'd rather play to the base that will never leave him than pull more people in.
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
10387 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 2:27 pm to
So these people voted for a seemingly "nice" demented person versus a "mean" person who gives a crap about this country.
Posted by CrotchetyCowboy
Ward, AR
Member since Jul 2022
41 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 4:19 pm to
As Rush used to say, “low information voters”
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31233 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 4:21 pm to
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He'd rather play to the base that will never leave him than pull more people in.


But he is pulling more people in. It doesn't matter what he says at this point.

It's the economy.

Posted by DotBling
Member since Oct 2019
3058 posts
Posted on 5/18/24 at 4:26 pm to
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Easiest thing Trump could change, yet he refuses to do so.


How about the pussies get out of their feelings?

Sounds like that is what is happening with the folks quoted in this article. They finally understand that a strong leader isn’t always nice. And that is OK when it benefits the people.
This post was edited on 5/18/24 at 4:28 pm
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