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Help me pick out a Video Card for my son's gaming PC
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:07 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:07 am
Long story short, we built a gaming PC back in 2019 for Christmas and everything came out fine. Used PC Part Picker to make sure all parts were compatible and am using that build to check on upgrading the video card.
Thing is, I have no idea what is considered an "upgrade" here.
The card currently installed is:
Nvidia Geforce RTX 2060 Super Founders Edition Graphics Card
LINK
I guess it's not running as fast as he wants or whatever, so that's why the request for an upgrade. Looking in the same price range as that one I see this:
ASUS Dual GeForce® RTX 4070 OC Edition 12GB GDDR6X
LINK
I've already stuck it into his build at PC Part Picket and it says it's compatible...but is it an upgrade? I'm assuming given it's 5 years more advanced it is, but I don't honestly know what I'm looking at.
And just an FYI, here are a few of the other specs in the build if this helps:
- AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor
- MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Was thinking about adding a addition pair of memory cards as well, but again...I have no clue if that'll do anything.
All help is most appreciated!
Thing is, I have no idea what is considered an "upgrade" here.
The card currently installed is:
Nvidia Geforce RTX 2060 Super Founders Edition Graphics Card
LINK
I guess it's not running as fast as he wants or whatever, so that's why the request for an upgrade. Looking in the same price range as that one I see this:
ASUS Dual GeForce® RTX 4070 OC Edition 12GB GDDR6X
LINK
I've already stuck it into his build at PC Part Picket and it says it's compatible...but is it an upgrade? I'm assuming given it's 5 years more advanced it is, but I don't honestly know what I'm looking at.
And just an FYI, here are a few of the other specs in the build if this helps:
- AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor
- MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Was thinking about adding a addition pair of memory cards as well, but again...I have no clue if that'll do anything.
All help is most appreciated!
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:12 am to GeauxTigerTM
Which games does he play and at what resolution?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:25 am to Joshjrn
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Which games does he play and at what resolution?
OK...so I just asked him and I have no clue what any of this is, but he said:
Deep Rock and Doom Eternal and at times he can't run either on the highest settings.
This all makes as much sense as listening to my wife make a Starbucks order...
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
At higher resolutions it will be more than twice as fast. It's a substantial upgrade.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:33 am to j1897
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At higher resolutions it will be more than twice as fast. It's a substantial upgrade.
Cool!
Any need for the memory card upgrade as well, or is that useless?
FWIW, he also does design work on his PC using Blender and other 3d software in addition to the Adobe suite stuff.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
Slow down
Go back and ask him the resolution he plays at. Will likely be 1080p, 1440p, or (I very seriously doubt) 4k.
And link us to the PCPP list you’re working from. I want to see his drives (what I think you’re referring to as memory cards).
Go back and ask him the resolution he plays at. Will likely be 1080p, 1440p, or (I very seriously doubt) 4k.
And link us to the PCPP list you’re working from. I want to see his drives (what I think you’re referring to as memory cards).
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:04 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Any need for the memory card upgrade as well, or is that useless?
yes, double his RAM and make sure he is using an SSD..He should know what those words mean
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:08 am to GrammarKnotsi
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yes, double his RAM and make sure he is using an SSD..He should know what those words mean
The kid already has 32gb of RAM, which is already twice what he needs to play the games he’s playing. Upgrading to 64gb would give zero benefit whatsoever. Would be more fun to just set the cash on fire and watch the glow
Eta: And as for the design work, the RAM would likely be fourth on the upgrade priority list.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:13 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:18 am to Joshjrn
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The kid already has 32gb of RAM,
misread OPs stats
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:21 am to Joshjrn
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Go back and ask him the resolution he plays at. Will likely be 1080p
He's home sick...so he's less than helpful. Plus, I'm assuming it's only at 1080p.
I don't think I can link the build list as you'd have to log into the account but I'll list it all here:
- AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor
- NZXT Kraken X52 Rev 2 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
- MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
- Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 SATA Solid State Drive
- NVIDIA Founders Edition GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card
- Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case
- Dell S2719DGF 27.0" 2560 x 1440 155 Hz Monitor
- EVGA 650 GQ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
As for memory, I was referring to the 32GB of RAM on the highlighted item above. I know that's an easy addition, but have no idea if it would matter.
FWIW, we're not looking to rebuild the system here. Was looking for a Christmas present that we could switch out and make a noticeable difference to the system, so if you've got a better suggestion I'm sincerely all ears.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
Based on that, looks like he’s playing at 1440p. Which is the one thing I was hoping wasn’t going to happen…
So, the “problem” is that his system is currently very well balanced for the games he plays and the resolution he plays them at. To expound, your CPU processes frames while your GPU processes frames. Your frame rate will be the lower of the two. When I say his system is balanced, I mean they are both putting out close to the same frame rate. That’s a good thing.
But when you go to upgrade the system, it means that if you upgrade one component, it won’t give you the full boost it should, because the other component has become the limiting factor.
Your motherboard, storage, and RAM are all fine. The CPU and GPU could both use an upgrade. The PSU is getting a little long in the tooth, but it’s probably ok for now.
Ignoring exactly what we’re upgrading for now, what’s your total budget for this upgrade?
So, the “problem” is that his system is currently very well balanced for the games he plays and the resolution he plays them at. To expound, your CPU processes frames while your GPU processes frames. Your frame rate will be the lower of the two. When I say his system is balanced, I mean they are both putting out close to the same frame rate. That’s a good thing.
But when you go to upgrade the system, it means that if you upgrade one component, it won’t give you the full boost it should, because the other component has become the limiting factor.
Your motherboard, storage, and RAM are all fine. The CPU and GPU could both use an upgrade. The PSU is getting a little long in the tooth, but it’s probably ok for now.
Ignoring exactly what we’re upgrading for now, what’s your total budget for this upgrade?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:06 am to Joshjrn
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Ignoring exactly what we’re upgrading for now, what’s your total budget for this upgrade?
$500-$600 max. This was just supposed to be a quick fix...not looking to break the bank. And hoping that whatever we'd add would get the computer a few more years down the road and at which point it would be his issue to deal with.
And look, I helped build the thing with a YouTube video last time and the PC Part Builder to ensure nothing clashed, but I have little understanding of what's here. You'll need to explain what the CPU/GPU/PSU are if those can even be switched out in my range.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
CPU = processor
GPU = graphics card
PSU = power supply
I don’t think we can meaningfully upgrade both the CPU and GPU within your price range. Upgrading the CPU would give a smaller boost, but would be the last processor upgrade on this platform before a full rebuild at some point in the future and would lay the foundation for potentially multiple GPU upgrades before then. A GPU upgrade would provide a larger immediate boost, but would just further exacerbate the issue that the CPU is already a problem.
I’ll think on it a bit
GPU = graphics card
PSU = power supply
I don’t think we can meaningfully upgrade both the CPU and GPU within your price range. Upgrading the CPU would give a smaller boost, but would be the last processor upgrade on this platform before a full rebuild at some point in the future and would lay the foundation for potentially multiple GPU upgrades before then. A GPU upgrade would provide a larger immediate boost, but would just further exacerbate the issue that the CPU is already a problem.
I’ll think on it a bit
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:37 am to Joshjrn
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I don’t think we can meaningfully upgrade both the CPU and GPU within your price range. Upgrading the CPU would give a smaller boost, but would be the last processor upgrade on this platform before a full rebuild at some point in the future and would lay the foundation for potentially multiple GPU upgrades before then. A GPU upgrade would provide a larger immediate boost, but would just further exacerbate the issue that the CPU is already a problem.
I'll take your word on that, because...
quote:
I’ll think on it a bit
I appreciate it. I'd like to upgrade the system some, but only if it'll make an actual difference for him. The system is now just about 5 years old and we built it when he was a senior in high school, so the next one's on him! But I figured if we could do a little something here than it might be worth it. If the benefit doesn't warrant the cost then we can pass on the whole thing and in a year or two he can rebuild a new system from the ground up is he wants.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:57 am to GeauxTigerTM
That asus dual 4070 is a great card, I have one. I would get that or a 7800 xt.
Then upgrade the processor to a newer Ryzen 5 or 7 in the future.
Then upgrade the processor to a newer Ryzen 5 or 7 in the future.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:03 pm to viv1d
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That asus dual 4070 is a great card, I have one. I would get that or a 7800 xt.
Then upgrade the processor to a newer Ryzen 5 or 7 in the future.
Got links to any of those? I'm dropping things into the PC Partpicker thing to see if they're compatible.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:36 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Got links to any of those? I'm dropping things into the PC Partpicker thing to see if they're compatible.
With insanely niche exceptions that aren't worth going into, GPUs are essentially universally compatible. It's not like CPUs. Anything you're going to buy will work with the board you have.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:20 pm to Joshjrn
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GPUs are essentially universally compatible
Are they not different dimensions? Really thinking more about will it fit in the current set up size wise, but that's good to hear otherwise.
As for the above rec...worth a look?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Are they not different dimensions? Really thinking more about will it fit in the current set up size wise, but that's good to hear otherwise.
While yes, PCPP unfortunately won't help you with that. They've been working on adding it, but "fit" isn't something PCPP is great at. With that said, it's easy to just look up.
Based on your previous post, pretty sure you have this case: LINK /
Assuming so, this is what it lists for GPU compatibility:
GPU max length
315 mm with front fan mounted
So just look at the dimension specs of any card before you buy it. Easy peasy.
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As for the above rec...worth a look?
Absolutely. I would save a bit of money and get the 6800xt over the 7800xt, but with that quibble aside, I agree with viv1d that the 6800xt/7800xt and 4070 are likely the best options within your price range.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 8:51 am to Joshjrn
Ok...first off, thanks everyone that's added to this. I really appreciate your help!
Secondly, let me just run this all back to make sure I understand the recs:
- It's worthwhile to replace the current NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 with an ASUS 4070 with the understanding that he'll really need to replace the CPU sooner rather than later.
So, is this the right guy?
LINK
Secondly, let me just run this all back to make sure I understand the recs:
- It's worthwhile to replace the current NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 with an ASUS 4070 with the understanding that he'll really need to replace the CPU sooner rather than later.
So, is this the right guy?
LINK
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