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re: The Official Fire Gregg Berhalter Thread
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:53 am to Earnest_P
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:53 am to Earnest_P
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Wtf was that about?
Like I said before, Gregg overthinks shite and I think he was scared as frick that the last time Gio played for the USMNT at that point, he subbed himself off before halftime with an injury after missing basically all of qualifying due to an injury he suffered on Gregg's watch.
Gio was playing for Dortmund heading into the World Cup, but he wasn't playing big minutes while getting back to fitness, so I think Gregg wasn't sure if he could rely on Gio playing big minutes.
I've heard the Sebastian Berhalter/Austin FC theory and I just don't buy it. Before all the injuries, Gregg was relying heavily on Gio and starting him every time.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:55 am to Earnest_P
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Still seems a little absurd that Gregg decided pre tournament that Gio was going to have a “very limited” role.
Wtf was that about?
It's about his ego at least partially. There's no logical explanation to leave one of our best players on the bench for most of the WC, unless he was injured. We know he wasn't.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:59 am to Earnest_P
I’m beginning to think something has been brewing since before the World Cup and Gio’s fitness concerns just made Gregg’s decision to sideline him more convenient. The only reason I think that is because this whole ordeal went south really quick.
Then again, could be people acting out in a heat of passion bc they felt betrayed. The World Cup is special bc it’s only every four years. You never know if you ever get a chance again. A lot can happen in those four years
Then again, could be people acting out in a heat of passion bc they felt betrayed. The World Cup is special bc it’s only every four years. You never know if you ever get a chance again. A lot can happen in those four years
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:01 am to SUB
That’s why I’m thinking a rift between the two families has been happening since before the tournament. I think Gregg could be petty enough to do that, especially since he did it at the Summit.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:01 am to Broski
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Like I said before, Gregg overthinks shite and I think he was scared as frick that the last time Gio played for the USMNT at that point, he subbed himself off before halftime with an injury after missing basically all of qualifying due to an injury he suffered on Gregg's watch.
Plausible, but knowing Gio is a hothead, why deflate him like that before the tournament? Tell him he’s not starting, sure, but what if we had gone down 2-0 to Wales and needed him in the game? Or any other of a number of scenarios where you’d need him.
You’re telling him before the tournament that he’s not going to be that guy.
Maybe “very limited role” is how Gio interpreted being told he simply wasn’t going to start, but to me that seems unlikely.
I will say that Gio’s seemingly extreme reaction makes a little more sense if he had reason to think it was personal.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:02 am to SUB
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We know he wasn't.
We also know he wasn't 100%.
He should've played more, but those thinking he should've been starting when he was averaging less than 60 minutes for BVB this season heading into the World Cup are fooling themselves.
On top of that, who was he going to start over? Pulisic and Weah and our midfield were our best players that entire tournament. I know people say false 9 but we just were never going to do that (that's on Gregg for not workshopping that beforehand). The only way I can go back and find Gio more minutes in the World Cup is that we should've been subbing him on for McKennie whenever Wes was spent.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:32 am to Broski
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On top of that, who was he going to start over? Pulisic and Weah and our midfield were our best players that entire tournament. I know people say false 9 but we just were never going to do that (that's on Gregg for not workshopping that beforehand). The only way I can go back and find Gio more minutes in the World Cup is that we should've been subbing him on for McKennie whenever Wes was spent
I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but not needing him more is just how things worked out, so in retrospect it doesn’t seem as egregious (depending on one’s opinion) that his role was limited.
That doesn’t explain deciding prior to the World Cup that he would have a very limited role.
(this doesn’t even get into questions of whether we were too defensive at times in the group stage and lucky not to pay for that conservatism or speculation as to how much of a difference Gio could have made if he had played in place of someone else)
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:36 am to Earnest_P
Charlie Davies said on In Soccer We Trust yesterday that a lot of the players were pissed at Gio's attitude dating back to Nations League in 2021.
ETA: love my serial downvoter downvoting me for offering no opinion, just relaying something that was said from former players.
ETA: love my serial downvoter downvoting me for offering no opinion, just relaying something that was said from former players.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:58 am to Broski
I’d like to know what specifically the issue is? Doesn’t practice hard? Gets in arguments with other players? What is it?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 12:01 pm to SUB
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Doesn’t practice hard?
This was the case during the World Cup, but overall, he's just a cocky a-hole who knows he's better than everybody.
He 100% needs to grow up and I hope this incident and the ensuing fallout accelerates that process. That would obviously be the best case scenario from this awful situation.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 4:50 pm to Earnest_P
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What are you saying people should feel about the “temper tantrum”?
Act like a professional and an adult, for one. Tyler Adams obviously wasn't a fan of his behavior, seeing as how things almost came to blows between them. Additionally, the majority of his teammates thought GGG treated him too "soft" after what happened by playing him at all. There's thinking you're better than your teammates, which is fine, and then there is letting that attitude affect your training and your interactions with your teammates, ultimately to the detriment of everyone, which is obviously not fine.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:00 pm to Earnest_P
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Still seems a little absurd that Gregg decided pre tournament that Gio was going to have a “very limited” role.
No one knows what his "limited role" would be because that's never been elucidated. Does that mean only a few minutes (would be silly imo) or does that mean "you're a sub option because you are 2nd choice at all the positions you would play," which in all honesty was a fair assessment. It's all speculative, still, and I wish this would be clarified. Was this an attempt to motivate Gio after his poor effort in training/the friendly against the Qatari club, was it punishment, or was it GGG just being an idiot?
quote:You have to be a real smooth brain if you think this played any role.
People online speculating that it was retaliation for something Claudio did regarding Gregg’s son at AustinFC, but surely that can’t be it.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:06 pm to Broski
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Charlie Davies said on In Soccer We Trust yesterday that a lot of the players were pissed at Gio's attitude dating back to Nations League in 2021.
Not the first time they've mentioned something like this on that pod. They were also the ones who mentioned the other players being upset that he got any minutes at the WC after how he acted in training.
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ETA: love my serial downvoter downvoting me for offering no opinion, just relaying something that was said from former players.
It's funny to see straight facts from reliable sources get downvoted because it doesn't parrot "GGG bad" and *gasp* reinforces the notion that Gio has an attitude problem with the USMNT. Some people here desperately want this place to be an echo chamber.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:17 pm to cwil177
It's just lame as hell that there are people who actually view the Reynas in a more sympathetic light than Gregg, and it's literally just because they hate him as coach. Imagine what those same reactions would be if the roles were somehow reversed and Gregg was the one threatening with 30 year old info that Claudio kicked Danielle because he was mad that everyone was shitting on him that he didn't play Gio.
It's so transparent and they are so black and white about it, that they can't even seem to understand that just because someone points out how bullshite it was for the Reynas to act this way, it doesn't mean you're team Gregg.
It's so transparent and they are so black and white about it, that they can't even seem to understand that just because someone points out how bullshite it was for the Reynas to act this way, it doesn't mean you're team Gregg.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:31 pm to Broski
I can’t speak for everyone but my interest in this piqued when the allegations of blackmail surfaced. Now the facts surrounding that allegation don’t point to that at all unless something new comes to light. Until then, it’s egg on the face of US Soccer and Gregg. Do the Reyna’s look good? Of course not, but they aren’t managing the team. My bar of accountability for them is a lot lower than it is for the people who are paid to do the job. You’re trying to keep them on a level field when they aren’t at all
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:33 pm to SabiDojo
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My bar of accountability for them is a lot lower than it is for the people who are paid to do the job
It's not the manager's fault that someone weaponized 30 year old information to frick with him.
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You’re trying to keep them on a level field when they aren’t at all
That's so dumb, the Reynas aren't just some random arse family.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:35 pm to Broski
It is his fault if he knew he wasn’t blackmailed/extorted and perpetuated that he was.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:36 pm to SabiDojo
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It is his fault if he knew he wasn’t blackmailed/extorted and perpetuated that he was.
The independent investigation by US Soccer said he was blackmailed, how do you still not understand this?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:37 pm to Broski
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That's so dumb, the Reynas aren't just some random arse family.
Noooooo really?!
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:43 pm to Broski
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The independent investigation by US Soccer said he was blackmailed, how do you still not understand this?
Not one shred of evidence of that has been produced.
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