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There is a reason young men are rejecting the Church and following guys like Andrew Tate
Posted on 8/3/23 at 5:53 am
Posted on 8/3/23 at 5:53 am
Just from listening to a few Andrew Tate interviews, as sad as this sounds, Tate delivers more virtue than you would get in about 90%+ of modern church pulpits (Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical)
He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.
And even tells women to be chaste, be nurturing, be innocent. (Yes, I am aware of his background, I am simply discussing his message, not necessarily his past behaviors)
How many Pastors or Priests are delivering this message? The modern church is completely feminized, the churches are ran by the women in the congregation, from the music, the skinny jean Pastors or weak, effeminate Priests. I call it Ned Flanders Christianity, all the messaging is just feel good, happy talk, basically self help lectures. It's all about "being nice", which is not a virtue and never mentioned anywhere in scriptures. Nice men are not necessarily good men.
Young men want to hear marching orders, battle plans, they want to know who the enemy is, how he presents himself in the world, and how they should be fighting him.
They are not getting this message inside the church. And this is why even deeply flawed individuals like Tate or even secular, non-religous individuals like Peterson or Rogan are where young men are gravitating to, and not the Church.
He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.
And even tells women to be chaste, be nurturing, be innocent. (Yes, I am aware of his background, I am simply discussing his message, not necessarily his past behaviors)
How many Pastors or Priests are delivering this message? The modern church is completely feminized, the churches are ran by the women in the congregation, from the music, the skinny jean Pastors or weak, effeminate Priests. I call it Ned Flanders Christianity, all the messaging is just feel good, happy talk, basically self help lectures. It's all about "being nice", which is not a virtue and never mentioned anywhere in scriptures. Nice men are not necessarily good men.
Young men want to hear marching orders, battle plans, they want to know who the enemy is, how he presents himself in the world, and how they should be fighting him.
They are not getting this message inside the church. And this is why even deeply flawed individuals like Tate or even secular, non-religous individuals like Peterson or Rogan are where young men are gravitating to, and not the Church.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 6:00 am
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Posted on 8/3/23 at 5:58 am to burger bearcat
Or maybe the church hiding behind God to shield priests from man's law not to hurt children.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:00 am to Junky
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Or maybe the church hiding behind God to shield priests from man's law not to hurt children.
Statements like this pushes the narrative that all churches cover for child sex abuse. It's no different than the idea that White people are inherently racist.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:14 am to burger bearcat
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they want to know who the enemy is
If tate actually told them, no wonder he got canceled
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:20 am to burger bearcat
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He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family. And even tells women to be chaste, be nurturing, be innocent. (Yes, I am aware of his background, I am simply discussing his message, not necessarily his past behaviors)
So he is a “do as I say, not as I do” kind of person.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:24 am to Chromdome35
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He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family. And even tells women to be chaste, be nurturing, be innocent. (Yes, I am aware of his background, I am simply discussing his message, not necessarily his past behaviors)
So he is a “do as I say, not as I do” kind of person.
He has said he regrets things he's said in the past. Everyone is allowed to mature and change. I would be crucified if judged by my actions/decisions 20, 30, years ago.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:26 am to Chromdome35
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So he is a “do as I say, not as I do” kind of person
To some degree, aren't we all? The only perfect man was Jesus.
But you are sort of missing the point of my OP, as it wasn't really meant to say how great Tate is. I was simply contrasting his message with the normal, watered down message coming from most American churches these days.
I wish the Church could discuss the issues he's willing to discuss. But instead they would rather give a feel good, Ted talk about how you need to be nice all the time.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:26 am to lake chuck fan
I am sure he regrets more his actual actions he is being prosecuted for. Dude is a massive hypocrite.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:28 am to burger bearcat
Fair enough. I agree the church has failed at leading.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:34 am to burger bearcat
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How many Pastors or Priests are delivering this message? The modern church is completely feminized, the churches are ran by the women in the congregation, from the music, the skinny jean Pastors or weak, effeminate Priests. I call it Ned Flanders Christianity, all the messaging is just feel good, happy talk, basically self help lectures. It's all about "being nice", which is not a virtue and never mentioned anywhere in scriptures. Nice men are not necessarily good men.
Not all are, but mainline denominations are, and it is for that very reason that you are seeing denominations like the Anglicans, Methodists, and others splitting and reforming their denominations all over the globe.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:38 am to burger bearcat
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He actually tells young men not to look at porn, get your shite together, get in shape, get your finances in order, become a protector, lead your family.
I don’t know any churches that wouldn’t promote this
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:40 am to Chromdome35
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Dude is a massive hypocrite.
Why do people care so much, even if someone is a "hypocrite" as you say. Is it better for a bad, immoral man to deliver a good message to young people, or would you prefer a clean cut, nice man to deliver a weak, watered down message?
If the message he is giving is positive and advice that young guys need to hear, what's the problem? Why does his past behavior matter so much?
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:43 am to burger bearcat
Anyone following Tate is a massive loser.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:43 am to burger bearcat
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rejecting the Church
I don't follow a church... I do my best to follow Jesus Christ and fail daily...
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:45 am to burger bearcat
Does Tate have a wife and family? I must have missed that part. He’s an Islamist grifter.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:46 am to burger bearcat
The ONLY reason he is saying this now is because he got arrested and is being prosecuted. Had that not happened he would still be carrying on the same behaviors. That is a hypocrite.
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:47 am to burger bearcat
Wow, for the population on this board that had "Islamic men" as their #1 out group/bad guy for 15+ years, I never thought I'd see those same people simping for an Islamic grifter 
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 6:48 am
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:50 am to burger bearcat
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Why do people care so much, even if someone is a "hypocrite" as you say
Because they are telling you what you want to believe and they don't even believe in it themselves. That's moral bankruptcy, not moral education.
I'll let you in on a secret: these content creators know their market and have adopted the message to appeal to the market. They don't really believe in this stuff. They just know it's an easy way to make money. This goes from Andrew Tate to Tim Pool to the Conservative Treehouse.
You are suckers listening to grifters intentionally feeding you red meat to consume as mindless NPCs
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Islamic grifter
While I don't agree with him on several things, why doesn't it surprise you more that an Islamic grifter is hitting on many of the foundations that once made this country great?
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:52 am to pankReb
Eh not really. The church DOES cover for child abuse and their reputation is well established.
Clergy aren’t even legally mandatory reporters of abuse (unlike coaches, teachers, counselors, and any other professional) in like 33 states. Given the churches horrendous track record of dealing with said information, this is totally abusive and unacceptable.
And every time policy is put in place to change that it’s the Christian (catholic specifically) Republicans doing everything in their power to stop it.
How is that still okay with anyone? It’s gross, frankly.
Clergy aren’t even legally mandatory reporters of abuse (unlike coaches, teachers, counselors, and any other professional) in like 33 states. Given the churches horrendous track record of dealing with said information, this is totally abusive and unacceptable.
And every time policy is put in place to change that it’s the Christian (catholic specifically) Republicans doing everything in their power to stop it.
How is that still okay with anyone? It’s gross, frankly.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 6:54 am
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