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re: SCOTUS isn’t going to mess with immunity
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Clearly someone hasn't read the actual Constitution
I know who I'm betting on.
And, no, I don't want to bet with your cuck bucks.
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.
This is saying if a President is impeached and removed from office the next step is for the DOJ to bring criminal charges. If the Senate acquits the President he is cleared of wrongdoing by Congress and the Executive Branch can't prosecute.
Congress can't bring criminal charges, only the Executive Branch can. But Congress can say the President is not guilty of any crime.
The short-sighted Democrats shot their wad bringing "Insurrection" into Trump's second impeachment. Trump was acquitted by Congress of any charges related to insurrection.
You chose to ignore the "but the party convicted" part.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because 0 other presidents did what Trump is accused of doing.
Fake electors/ Asking for votes has been done by all of them. It's been suggested by the main stream media. Who do you think puts these questions to the media. Hillary Clinton and others have discussed it. What Trump is accused of doing is literally nothing. Its not illegal to ask and or look for more votes. It's not illegal to ask to not certify an election if you feel like their are irregularities within. It's not illegal to question the legitimacy of an election considering how much mail in non sense happened in 2020 and the great thing about all of this is. No laws were broken and the election was certified - even if the crooks cheated because nothing he did or suggested changed the outcome. Hard to interfere in an election that you lost.
Nonsense.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:23 pm to da prophet
Some of you baws haven't read, nor do you understand, the Constitution.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:23 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
"Only guilty people ask for immunity"
Donald J Trump
Donald J Trump
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because 0 other presidents did what Trump is accused of doing.
Bro...
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:26 pm to Epaminondas
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Go back and read the section you quoted:
"but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law."
Trump was not convicted by the Senate. If he had been, he would have been removed from office.
This is the nut right here
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:27 pm to da prophet
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If they would that would mean impeachment, which is the current process for charging presidents would be voided.
Good thing for Sleepy Joe that he wasn't legally elected, amirite?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:35 pm to The Boat
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The short-sighted Democrats shot their wad bringing "Insurrection" into Trump's second impeachment. Trump was acquitted by Congress of any charges related to insurrection.
Very good post. Basically a president must be impeached first which then opens him up to criminal prosecution. Trump was acquitted for insurrection by Congress therefore closing the door on prosecution for this. This is where immunity comes in, if the Supreme says no immunity, the impeachment acquittal means nothing. So in affect the impeachment process is neutered.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:38 pm to da prophet
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So in affect the impeachment process is neutered.
I think having two bullshite show trials against Trump basically killed it as a serious thing.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:43 pm to da prophet
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Biden could be indicted by a red state DA right now and be forced to stand trial while in office .
This has to be in the bag of tricks. Democrats have opened that can of worms and they will never give it up. Even big blue city DAs can take a swipe at a R president in the future. Think Austin, Texas and well as Atlanta Georgia, Phoenix, Arizona.
This now will never end. It's last man/group standing.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:49 pm to da prophet
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Basically a president must be impeached first which then opens him up to criminal prosecution.
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The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:01 pm to teke184
I just think this SCOTUS with its current makeup doesn’t want to be remembered for watering down presidential immunity and in effect nuking the impeachment process.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:12 pm to da prophet
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Trump was acquitted for insurrection by Congress therefore closing the door on prosecution for this.
Impeachment and conviction under the Constitution is not a procedural requirement for prosecution under federal or state law. Impeachment is the Constitutional method by which Congress can remove a President, and no criminal or civil penalty is imposed against a President removed after a 2/3 vote in the Senate after a trial of impeachment.
The only two remedies associated with impeachment are removal from office and disqualification from seeking other federal office (again, reinforcing my prior post that Congress has lawmaking authority and not law enforcement authority). Removal from office is a Constitutional remedy (a check on the power of the presidency by another co-equal branch of government), not a civil or a criminal remedy.
That does not preclude the ability of the courts to try him for criminal offenses.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:same number of incumbents before him who had elections stolen. It is the presidents inherent responsibility to work to ensure the election is legitimate. he was thus inherently operating as president, you freaking delusional retard.
Because 0 other presidents did what Trump is accused of doing.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:39 pm to Epaminondas
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Trump was not convicted by the Senate.
That wording does not state impeachment is required, only that impeachment does not prohibit prosecution.
The Constitution states that if a President is impeached, the "conviction" in the Senate doesn't constitute a "conviction" for a criminal matter and he's still potentially criminally liable (aka, no Double Jeopardy, if it makes sense that way for you to conceptualize).
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:40 pm to The Boat
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This is saying if a President is impeached and removed from office the next step is for the DOJ to bring criminal charges.
Where?
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If the Senate acquits the President he is cleared of wrongdoing by Congress and the Executive Branch can't prosecute.
Which words discuss the effects of an acquittal?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:53 pm to GumboPot
Common Sense way out ......Something lacking with the majority of observers ......
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
It says "but the party convicted" right in the section you posted. "But the party convicted" will then be subject to criminal prosecution, but not before Congress decides on removal.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:This is just flat out disingenuous...on a Barry Scheck level. Disappointed in you, dude...
Because 0 other presidents did what Trump is accused of doing.
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