re: Let’s be honest, even if Trump beats election fraud and wins in November

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What is insufferable is watching you fools support a man who hijacked a truly conservative movement, and did nothing but piss on it.

He supports Mike Johnson. Thus, he supported giving tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine. He, apparently, still supports the FISA extension.

He is wispy washy on abortion. He is no big proponent of the 2A.

He filled his cabinet with swamp creatures. He did not, and has no intention of draining the swamp.

He pussed on Mcain long enough to insure Obamacare was not repealed.

He did not close the border.

He could not and will not be able to get support for any change of consequence.

He spent like a drunken sailor and added 7 1/2 trillion dollars to the deficit.

Those are facts. And you want me to believe he is now going to fulfill the bullshite promises he makes?

You have seen the ending of a movie and want to rewatch it hoping there is a new outcome.

Trump is what he is. You glorifying him changes nothing.

He is a horrible candidate running against the weakest sitting president of my lifetime,

You nominated him. You sacrificed the future of your kids and grandchildren to a make believe deity because you were pissed off at our government.

You now have to ride with it.

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They do not believe in facts at all, they worship him, no matter the damage that was done.

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Project 2025

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Yep and each one on here can attempt to be apart of it. Instead they choose to bitch, argue with each other, and not do a damn thing.

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Your emotional language aside, it's insane to keep voting for those same politicians that give in to the democrats all the time.

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YOUR emotional language aside, what good does it do to protest a group because they haven't stuck to a conservative philosophy as tightly as you (and I) have wanted by pivoting to a group that has abandoned the conservative philosophy altogether?

If I drop my cell phone and the screen cracks a little, that's definitely a bummer. I'm obviously not happy about that. But what you populists are doing is the equivalent of dropping it, then stomping on it and then kicking it.

The majority of this board now favors the trade policies of Bernie Sanders and the foreign policies of Jimmy Carter. That would never have happened had the base not abandoned conservatism in favor of populism.

It's all about feeling like you're sticking it to The Man for you guys, speaking of emotionalism. The Republicans didn't do everything you wanted, so you're going to punish them by supporting people who also won't do what you used to want, but you're now going to pretend to want or convince yourself you really want some of the things they do just to be able to sell yourself on having abandoned your principles. To punish the "GOPe."

And the worst part is that you guys don't even realize that's what you're doing.

What would you have rathered? Some GOPe dipshit stooge get up there and get beat like a fricking drum?

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trade policies of Bernie Sanders

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American Trade was a disaster. Trump did good in that regard.

I know "true conservatives" won't be happy until our feeble industrial base is 100% gone and 90% of the population is flipping burgers and working retail.

Hw learned a lesson last time . Dems are terrified of him.

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cusoonkpd

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Melt woman melt!

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And no, no one will eliminate ss and Medicare.
But we need to talk about cutting discretionary spending and Defense.

I like Viveks plan to cut 2/3 of bureaucrats.... wiping out the FBI etc.

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We'd be morons to cut defense by any amount significant enough to make a difference in the budget IMO.

As far as cutting government employees, do you realize what percentage of all people employed in America are employed by government at some level?

Let's get back to that in a minute.

First, remember how Trump claimed he was going to massively cut down the size of the federal employees and all he did was shuffle it around around a bit? I want to say the net cut was like 2%. After having bragged that he was going to cut it to the bone.

Do you have an opinion as to why he talked such a big game but ultimately did almost nothing about it?

My opinion is that he realized—once someone who knew something about our government got him to be still long enough and listen—that cutting all of those jobs that quickly would literally cause a recession.

I think the number is around 23%, if I remember correctly. Of ALL employees in the US. Employed at some level of government. That's not counting military, btw, just civilians.

Vivek is talking out of his arse just like Trump was and just like people here are when they talk about cutting out entire departments.

It can be done, but it's a 15-20 year plan. Unless, like I said, you want to cause an economic recession. It probably means some version of a plan of eliminating the jobs one by one as people retire and simply not filling them again.

Which means that it would never happen b/c it would need to be sustained over multiple administrations and the temptation to boost re-election employment numbers by simply hiring for those positions you were going to eliminate would be too great.

So cutting 2/3 of bureaucrats is just sucker's bait.

Nope. Doesn’t ring any bells. The way you lay it out so succinctly and black and white like that though, I’m sure it wouldn’t be much trouble for you to link a straightforward source for it.

Ask and You Shall Receive, a-hole