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re: Lawfare: how is this defined, and how can it be (legally) stopped?

Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by OceanMan
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:39 pm to
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All litigation is driven by motivation.


But not all litigation is driven by the same motivation. Hence the term lawfare.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:40 pm to
the definition of Lawfare is as follows:

"Lawfare is the use of law to manipulate public opinion and change political outcomes."

Lawfare as it pertains to Trump ..... They are not involved in the Lawfare operation to prosecute some form of illegal behavior. They are involved in the Lawfare operation simply to manipulate the public and change political outcomes.

The Lawfare effort is intended to embarrass Trump, isolate Trump, ridicule Trump and marginalize Trump.. Straight out of the Saul Alinsky handbook.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:40 pm to
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But not all litigation is driven by the same motivation. Hence the term lawfare.

That distinguishing "motivation" has not been defined in any meaningful way

Again, moving target.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Plenty of prosecuting agencies have run on being "tough on' the crimes they were alleged to have committed. Right now it's stolen firearms and fentanyl.


These are crimes. Not people. This is the distinction between lawfare and other prosecutions.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

the definition of Lawfare is as follows:

"Lawfare is the use of law to manipulate public opinion and change political outcomes."


Well, we need a bigger board. A new definition has been introduced.

quote:

Lawfare is the use of law to manipulate public opinion and change political outcomes.

So the 2018 Mississippi law that led to Dobbs was lawfare?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:46 pm to
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"Lawfare is the use of law to manipulate public opinion and change political outcomes."


You have to love how your TDS is blocking your brain from thinking this isnt whats happening to orange
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:52 pm to
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You have to love how your TDS is blocking your brain from thinking this isnt whats happening to orange


The problem is that it's going to encapsulate a lot of stuff people likely won't admit is "lawfare", like the 2018 MS law that led to Dobbs
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:54 pm to
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So can we use an example from Alabama and one from California to show this disparate impact?

And yes, I used disparate impact intentionally, b/c that's where we are headed with this rhetoric.
Let's make this very simple.

Equal justice law delineates an offense, then attempts to identify a target regardless of political persuasion.

Lawfare delineates a target, typically based on political persuasion, then attempts to identify an offence or offenses.

Regarding different states, different states have different laws. Your state lawfare premise would have accordingly different bases.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:55 pm to
Great that still doesnt change the fact that your tds is causing you to deny this is lawfare
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:55 pm to
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So the 2018 Mississippi law that led to Dobbs was lawfare?


Disproving lawfare by introducing other examples of lawfare?

Bold move.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:56 pm to
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Great that still doesnt change the fact that your tds is causing you to deny this is lawfare

We have more than 10 definitions of "lawfare" in this thread. I don't know what lawfare is, and this board can't come anywhere near a consensus.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:57 pm to
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Disproving lawfare by introducing other examples of lawfare?

Your rhetoric hasn't improved from your infamous "colon" argument, I see.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73775 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:57 pm to
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I don't know what lawfare


not surprised you as a lawyer dont know what it is
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:00 pm to
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The problem is that it's going to encapsulate a lot of stuff people likely won't admit is "lawfare", like the 2018 MS law that led to Dobbs
No. That is simply political legislation.
It is perhaps partisan, as all legislation is.

But unless it is applied unequally, selectively attacking some centers while giving equally culpable centers a pass, it is not lawfare.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:01 pm to
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I don't know what lawfare is
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
13255 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:01 pm to
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thread. I don't know what lawfare is


Do you think all of the trump cases are just the law system at work?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:06 pm to
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our rhetoric hasn't improved from your infamous "colon" argument, I see.


Difficult to improve on flawless.

I see you’re still upvoting yourself though.

Sad.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
13255 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:10 pm to
I’m getting Destiny vibes from SFP.
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
4975 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:10 pm to
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You mean I test the various definitions? In a thread about finding a universal definition? Guilty as charged for the intellectual rigor.


This is the dumbest exercise ever. If you asked people to define the word supercilious, you'd get a variety of responses, perhaps citing various sources and origins, etc. The bottom line is, everyone knows that you are the embodiment of the term as you think it is your place to be the arbiter of such matters. You're a friggin' blowhard and your games aren't as fun as you think they are.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422572 posts
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:15 pm to
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not surprised you as a lawyer dont know what it is

10+ definitions just in this thread alone. Which is it?
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