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re: Arming Israel versus Ukraine
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:39 pm to jennyjones
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:39 pm to jennyjones
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How is Ukraine an ally?
It's a place where our politicians can money launder.
Allegedly
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:51 pm to boosiebadazz
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guiding principles
When it comes to foreign policy, the only guiding principle should be doing what’s best for the United States on a case-by-case basis.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:14 am to boosiebadazz
One country is a democracy and a U.S. ally. The other one is not.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:21 am to boosiebadazz
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True isolationism means retreat from both (and also Taiwan). Modified MAGA says we can pick and choose which foreign intervention works for us.
Rational people don't deal in absolutes. I'm an isolationist but I understand the importance of Taiwan. As an isolationist, I also support manufacturing necessities like microchips at home so we don't have to worry about countries like Taiwan. There is no such need from Ukraine or Israel.
"Modified MAGA" is simply using common sense and realizing that the world isn't black & white.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:37 am to boosiebadazz
I'm fine selling them weapons. Giving them weapons is a waste of money that we don't have.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:09 am to Seldom Seen
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but I don't want to be the one to talk about it cause the admins already have it out for me
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:11 am to SCLibertarian
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Neither should be armed. The American taxpayer should not be on the hook for any other country's defense save for our own.
And contrary to boosie’s characterization above, a principled foreign policy based on such an axiom is not a form of “isolationism” but a form of “non-interventionism.”
Despite boosie promoting the prevailing wisdom of the permanent bipartisan reigning regime in the Potomac Beltway regarding foreign policy, there is a distinct difference between the two concepts.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:25 am to Tall Tiger
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:29 am to Damone
That meme is silly as the point you think you’re trying to make. Firstly, it’s “greatest ally in the Middle East,” not greatest ally period. Secondly, what is an ally supposed to do in return? Be an ally back would be the bare bones most common sense answer.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:33 am to boosiebadazz
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guiding principles
Understand that we should do things that enhance our position in the world and disregard the stuff that doesn't.
Understand further that just about anything can enhance our position and you understand the gotcha.
So you gotta go bang for your buck type of thing which takes a more nuanced approach. Also you have the ability for both carrot and stick type of diplomacy and both can work.
One needs to understand these to do it correctly. Trump understood this.
Biden based his policy on a don't lose type of proposition and when you play not to lose you also don't play too soon so you inevitably screw things up. Some screw things up catastrophically with this type of approach and biden does this.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:33 am to boosiebadazz
Israel has a functioning government and is capable of self governance, as it has shown time and time again under Jewish rule. The Ukraine is closer to Palestinian in the fact it can’t say that.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:55 am to boosiebadazz
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Modified MAGA says we can pick and choose which foreign intervention works for us.
You do realize that we already do this and have done so for years, right?
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:59 am to boosiebadazz
We should stop arming both and quit pretending our hegemony means shite other than the right to launder money and pressure other countries into left leaning nonsense.
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