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Arming Israel versus Ukraine
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:04 pm
Give me your best juxtaposition on both.
I see both as victims of wars of aggression. I see both as convenient allies of the US when it serves them.
I see both sitting in geographic hotspots where we could potentially exert power from.
I see both engaging in massive lobbying of Congress and policymaking.
This isn’t a gotcha. True isolationism means retreat from both (and also Taiwan). Modified MAGA says we can pick and choose which foreign intervention works for us.
I acknowledge this board encompasses a significant strain of what’s going on in the right wing of our politics, but I’m begging for some guiding principles
I see both as victims of wars of aggression. I see both as convenient allies of the US when it serves them.
I see both sitting in geographic hotspots where we could potentially exert power from.
I see both engaging in massive lobbying of Congress and policymaking.
This isn’t a gotcha. True isolationism means retreat from both (and also Taiwan). Modified MAGA says we can pick and choose which foreign intervention works for us.
I acknowledge this board encompasses a significant strain of what’s going on in the right wing of our politics, but I’m begging for some guiding principles
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 9:15 pm
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:09 pm to boosiebadazz
There's a connection between both countries. Another poster mentioned it on another thread but I don't want to be the one to talk about it cause the admins already have it out for me.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:13 pm to Seldom Seen
I’m sure that’s Joos to some degree, but I’m more interested in a coherent foreign policy angle.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:14 pm to boosiebadazz
For the case of Israel, it’s because the Christian Bible says so.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:17 pm to boosiebadazz
How is Ukraine an ally? 
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:21 pm to boosiebadazz
You're a guy in Indiana working at a plant. Your wife picks up shifts at the diner to make ends meat. What does an interventionist foreign policy do for you? Your blue collar buddies who want to escape the Rust Belt will be the ones who fight in our overseas conflicts, while the Ivy League dilettantes and the MSM millionaires call these folks "privileged" because of their skin color. Do you want to die because Bill Kristol and David Frum have a historical grudge against the Romanovs or Muslims?
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:23 pm to boosiebadazz
I have no problem with arming either country, as long as my tax dollars aren’t buying them.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:26 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Give me your best juxtaposition on both.
I know you won't like the "isolationists" answer but screw Israel, Middle East, Russia and Ukraine. Have you read about the threat to social security? When SS started it was designed to only take 2% of your gross income. It's hovering around 12% now. Luckily, I have other investments to offset that but 10's of millions do not.
Let the rest of the world bomb the shite out of each other. IDGAF. Stop funding foreign wars on our children's and grandchildren's futures.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:26 pm to SCLibertarian
Matt Damon already did that monologue in Good Will Hunting.
Give me a discernible difference between Israel and Ukraine as far as guiding principles from over here on the good side of the geographic lottery.
Give me a discernible difference between Israel and Ukraine as far as guiding principles from over here on the good side of the geographic lottery.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:27 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
Give me your best juxtaposition on both.
If Netanyahu were an American politician he would be a Republican.
If Zelinski were an American politician he would be a Social Democrat (and a member of the Squad)
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:29 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
I’m begging for some guiding principles
Blondes are more fun?
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:34 pm to boosiebadazz
I'd stop it to both. And what we're sending to the other sides. Stop printing cash for this shite at the expense of my ability to buy food please. Yes I know what that's gonna do to your ratheon stock but you're gonna kill the species sooooooo...
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:35 pm to boosiebadazz
I got this one. Arming Ukraine is fighting a war with Russia. We don't want war with Russia for several reasons.
Honestly war with Hamas not so bad.
Honestly war with Hamas not so bad.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:37 pm to boosiebadazz
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Give me a discernible difference between Israel and Ukraine as far as guiding principles from over here on the good side of the geographic lottery.
Neither should be armed. The American taxpayer should not be on the hook for any other country's defense save for our own.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:18 pm to boosiebadazz
Israel has got a big mouth when we have their back. When we act like we may not have their back they pretend they dont need us. It would be nice to completely cut the chord with them and let the chips fall where they will.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:23 pm to boosiebadazz
Ukraine has a division made up of literal neo nazi's.
Israel doesn't.
Israel doesn't.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:38 pm to boosiebadazz
The American taxpayer shouldn’t be paying to arm either one.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:44 pm to Tandemjay
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Ukraine has a division made up of literal neo nazi's. Israel doesn't.
Well there you have it. The multi billion dollar distinction
It’s for the OP, I don’t think we should provide a single shred of support for either one of them. Ukraine is an egregious error that we (the US) directly caused in the first place. Israel is a problem they (Israel) caused in the first place.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:46 pm to SDVTiger
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How is Ukraine an ally?
It's a place where our politicians can money launder.
Allegedly
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:02 pm to boosiebadazz
If you do not understand the difference between Ukraine and Israel nobody can help you
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