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re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris

Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by LSUtwolves
Member since Jun 2016
887 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:04 pm to
I’m not looking down on the parents or you. That’s noble and shows ambition and work ethic.

But in the richest country in the world, it’s not a good sign that people have to have 4 jobs between 2 parents to be able to make a living.

People used to work one job per household and afford to have a good life and even buy a house.

Things have gone south
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71566 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Yikes. You've bought your corporate overlords' propaganda hook, line, and sinker.


Have fun with those 15 dollar McDonald's hamburgers.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66972 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:05 pm to
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So does McDonalds. Ooops


It’s only one of the the largest employers of minimum wage workers in the US with Walmart and Yum! Brands.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30225 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:05 pm to
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100% complete opposite. Back in the day only a dad needed to work 1 job and mom stayed at home. It's today that both sexes work and sometimes multiple jobs, but I know those over 50 years older as they descend into end of life can't help but have the view "Eherhrrrr backkk in muhhrr dehr everyone was working for $2 an hour including me and my brother while we were still in the womb"


Facts

Dudes were leaving higschool to go sell VCR's for a living and were able to afford a mortgage, car payment, stay at home wife, 3 kids and a couple vacations every year.

Now BOTH parents are working 60+ hours a week and can barely make ends meet.

CoL relative to pay isn't anywhere near what it was back then which is why I immediately discount people who use the "back in my day" argument.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71566 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

I’m not looking down on the parents or you. That’s noble and shows ambition and work ethic.

But in the richest country in the world, it’s not a good sign that people have to have 4 jobs between 2 parents to be able to make a living.

People used to work one job per household and afford to have a good life and even buy a house.

Things have gone south


Corporations have teamed up with the government to create this weird 4th branch of government. Mix that with just the insane amount of government spending and you get this absolute shite show.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:05 pm to
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it’s not a good sign that people have to have 4 jobs between 2 parents to be able to make a living.


They did more than make a living though. You're assuming they did that just to get by, which is not how I read it.
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People used to work one job per household and afford to have a good life and even buy a house.

Things have gone south


So make money worth even less, what could go wrong
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:06 pm to
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It’s only one of the the largest employers of minimum wage workers in the US with Walmart and Yum! Brands.



Weird how all of the ones around me start people at $10 plus. Maybe all the hiring signs are lying though.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66972 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:08 pm to
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Maybe all the hiring signs are lying though.


I assume you’ve been at your job for 25 or more years.

because yes

hiring signs lie all the fricking time.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262127 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Weird how all of the ones around me start people at $10 plus


$18 here.

So McDonalds renovated and took out counters, need fewer people.

This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 3:11 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66972 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:10 pm to
what’s a big mac cost in alaska?
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84377 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:11 pm to
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I assume you’ve been at your job for 25 or more years.


And as usual, you're completely wrong LINK
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Starting pay is $10.00/hr


I'm sure the corporate website is lying too.

Little bitch Sammy downvoting facts like the loser he is
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 3:16 pm
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73492 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:11 pm to
Lol 25 an hour no experience Tyson foods multiple jobs open
28 for maintenance.
Yeah they don't exist.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66972 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:13 pm to
Lol 25 an hour no experience Tyson foods multiple jobs open 28 for maintenance. Yeah they don't exist.

what are we talking about? whether there are better paying jobs than minimum wage?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262127 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:18 pm to
Used to have a quarter pounder index. Last one I found was from 2013




Juneau was also a top ten most expensive city at that time.

McDonalds shut down one location, Subway shut down two of its three locations. Thats all the fast food we have.

Looked on the app, Big Mac is $7, meal is $12.



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262127 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:19 pm to
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what are we talking about? whether there are better paying jobs than minimum wage?


Companies are begging for workers, and raising the min wage does nothing but keep poor people from advancing.

Its supposed to suck bad, and its also supposed to give you motivation to improve.
Posted by LSUtwolves
Member since Jun 2016
887 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:20 pm to
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So make money worth even less, what could go wrong


For some reason you think I’m arguing for a livable wage or to increase minimum wages.

Thats a symptom of the problem and not the cause. Increasing minimum wage won’t fix anything.

The problem is with mega corporations forming monopolies and running small businesses out of… business.

And the government (both sides) make allowances for these corporations to frick us all as long as they get their pockets lined and their dicks sucked.

Top down and not bottom up is the way to approach the problem.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69401 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:26 pm to
People in this thread arguing in favor of living wages/minimum wage laws simply do not grasp what a wage even is.

In market economies, a wage is determined by the marginal value of the product you produce.

If you want to help people who happen to work in low wage jobs, you do it by raising EITC, universal basic income, etc.

You don’t do it by pricing employees out of labor markets

You cannot wave a magic wand and make someone worth more than they actually are (in terms of economic value)
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4955 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:28 pm to
So kill them then. Let them die if they produce less
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84377 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:29 pm to
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So kill them then. Let them die if they produce less


You should start a thread about this.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4955 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:30 pm to
You got no answers as usual
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