re: How did Maryland and Delaware escape the South’s cultural orbit?

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Texans are different from Floridians, both are still southerners. Virginia is the south.

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Texas isn’t the south. Virginia is

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that's how you want to interpret that, go right ahead. According to the federal government, Delaware has always been a southern state. The 1830s saw a lot of violence and rioting in Pennsylvania and New York because of interracial marriages being allowed.

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Well then by the logic you used in the post I originally responded too, NY and PA are southern states

The MD Eastern Shore can get southern as frick. Stars and bars and all.

I was born and raised in Delaware before I moved to Pennsylvania. Delaware has two distinct parts, New Castle County above the Chesapeake Canal, and the downstate. New Castle is very northern and an extension of the Philly suburbs. Below the canal down in Kent and Sussex counties the way of life is much different and can get very southern in a hurry. Those two counties have been adding tons of population over the last 25 years but it used to be very rural and had a southern feel.

Lots of coastal marshes and farms, duck hunting was a way of life, and lots of charming little towns. Places like Bowers Beach, Slaughter Beach, and Kitts Hummock were fishing and hunting camps that look like something you'd find in the low country in SC or coast LA. The areas just outside of the resort beaches wasn't as crazy and built up. Now Route 1 and the area from Lewes to Bethany is just one big traffic jam with every inch being developed. It is a shame because downstate Delaware was an awesome place to live, hunting and fishing, NASCAR in its prime, easy way of life. Now it's getting overrun with out of state people want to develop all of the coastal areas and put up generic arse developments on beautiful farmland.

Someone asked about slavery in Delaware around the Civil War. By the time of the war there were less than 2,000 slaves in the downstate counties. Lincoln used DE as a testing ground for possible compensated emancipation but it was rejected fairly quickly and there were a few slaves left until the passing of the 13 amendment.

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You can cut West Virginia in half these days as far as being South/North.

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Anything from Clarksburg south. That is the line IMO. I've been through WV more X than I can count in my 41 yearsso I've grown quite used to the culture of that state.

Jimbo is from Clarksburg and has a very noticeable drawl. Saban is from Fairmont 15 miles up 79 but his accent is more Pittsburgh w/southern mixed in.

No it was an English outpost neither north or south, it was on its own.

While you are technically correct you are also a buffoon and know exactly what is being discussed not English manservants.

Because they are full of yankees.

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They cucked out and didn't join the Confederacy

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No. Lincoln sent the army to Annapolis and prevented the state legislature from seceding. There were Maryland troops in both armies and Baltimore was considered a hotbed of Southern sympathizers.

Rural Maryland even now is not that different from the South, except for the accents. Shoot, George Wallace won the Democratic primary in Maryland in 1972.

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You can cut West Virginia in half these days as far as being South/North. Right hand side is Charlestown which a lot of people who work in DC live in. It's also the site of John Brown's raid so it's definitely not the south....

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So John Brown raided the North to trigger a slave revolt. lol. Who knew?