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re: DR Horton new construction framing finds by home inspector
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:37 am to hikingfan
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:37 am to hikingfan
I framed and trimmed homes for many years. One time I remodeled some apartments on Jefferson in Baton Rouge. Had to replace siding on chimney flue boxes. What ever idiots built them had nailed the 4 corners of the plywood on them with casing nails bent over to hold it on. I was in disbelief and obviously there is no way that place was properly inspected. 
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:38 am to ronricks
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I’d imagine the percentage of people actually doing this is very low. It’s all about throwing stuff together as fast as possible with prefabricated materials and low iq labor who simply don’t give a shite about what they are doing.
Its actually worse than that...most localities INSIST on poor materials and questionable methods based on codes developed by people and organizations with a vested interest in local authorities insisting on poor materials and questionable methods. Do some research into arc fault breakers, Siemens, The National Fire Protection Code and the "increase" in safety resulting from arc fault breakers. To sum up no independent organization has ever found that they do what they are supposed to do but they do drive up the cost of wiring a home substantially and, as a nice ancillary benefit, result in lots of call backs after warranties expire. They also allowed Siemens to get in on the windfall that they missed out on with GFCIs.....
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:40 am to Basura Blanco
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jack stud
Framing member terminology was always interesting to me. Jack stud is the proper term but we called them cripples.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:40 am to Shanegolang
Most inspectors I've seen are pretty sorry.
I damn sure wouldn't rely on them for any assurance something was built correctly.
I damn sure wouldn't rely on them for any assurance something was built correctly.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:40 am to GatorPA84
quote:sure, if you want a poorly built track home made with builder grade or contractor grade materials…
DR Horton is a pretty solid builder
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:44 am to No Colors
I guess 790 would qualify as "luxury".
Crooked counter tops, loose doors, subpar paintwork; I didn't look in the attic.
This was on a final walk-through.
Crooked counter tops, loose doors, subpar paintwork; I didn't look in the attic.
This was on a final walk-through.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:45 am to kengel2
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Some do, some don't.
They all pass and that's the problem. They shouldn't pass, the issues should be fixed. The inspectors need to be held accountable for allowing the crap to pass. They're taking bribes or hunting trip or whatever.
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And as a custom home builder, I am obviously biased in that opinion.
And as a subcontractor, we could never get away with the crap their subs get away with.
This is the problem. First off the AHJ has zero liability...second GOOD contractors are at a severe competitive disadvantage because they can't afford a fleet of lawyers to brow beat the AHJ into submission.
Local authorities are interested in increasing the tax base. They WANT lots of new homes. They control the building department....in EVERY jurisdiction this is so. It is far easier for the local authorities to see the tax base increased by builders like DB Horton, with a fleet of mortgage companies ready to lend money to anyone with a pulse, building 500 homes a year in a county than it is to drive up the tax base with individuals and small contractors building those same 500 homes. Consumers are clueless...all they see is bright paint and granite counter tops....and a lender who seems like their best friend. And it drives the value of EVERY home in an area.
Take a look at Zillow or Realtor.com. They have a square foot cost of every home listed. Find a reputable builder who will build the exact same home to the same finish for that price in any area of the country. It is rare. That value applies to new homes as well as existing homes.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:46 am to magicman534
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My mom just bought a new house from DSLD in Abita. I walked thru it several times while being framed and electrical and plumbing rough ins and was impressed at the build quality. They skimp on many other things and make the homeowner pay extra for them such as cat 5 cable to TVs, countertop up grades, can lights in ceiling, outdoor fan etc.
Can confirm. 5 years in a DSLD home.
Construction Quality isn't terrible. But yes the interior paint and fixtures are pretty cheap unless you pay for upgrades. We've been overall very pleased with our house.
But something funny I tell people:
I owned 3 older homes before this one and I never knew that cheap interior paint was a real issue. But we learned.
ANY THING that touches these walls leaves a mark.
PS These homes are very energy efficient. We do the level billing and over 5 years it ranges from $80-$120/month.
Gas is about $28/month(stove, water heater, and fire place)
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 7:48 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:49 am to ronricks
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Buy a home built between 1920 and 1950.
While I agree this is true there are some of us that did quality work and took pride in what we built as late as the 90s and 2000s. I was a frame and trim carpenter for many years and worked for some people that were hard as Marine Corp drill instructors and demanded good quality work and taught how to do it. Very seldom did an inspector find anything wrong. We knew every code and adhered to the rules. When I built my own home I went overkill on everything that truly mattered. I prided myself on being a true craftsman. Influx of cheap laborers can be thanked for the fall of this. I'm not gonna call anyone out, illegals.......
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:53 am to OweO
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I used to work for a parish permit & building inspection department. This was years ago and it is probably different for each parish, but if an inspector knows the contractor there are times when things might get signed off without the inspector going out to the site. If he is busy, he might just glance at the house plans and give the thumbs up.
Even a conscientious and competent inspector only spends a short period of time inspecting a project.
I have been in the industry my entire career at various levels. When I knew an inspector was coming out I would intentionally leave them some low hanging fruit...almost always not bonding the center tap of a transformer and leaving the cover off the transformer. They find that low hanging fruit and ignore EVERYTHING else. Always. Never fails. about 90% of the time they fail to find even the low hanging fruit. With rare exceptions inspectors are not well trained and are paid nearly nothing compared to what their background and experience is worth in a trade. The AHJ has not liability. The entire process is a dog and pony show meant to provide the consumer some confidence...and it fails in the endeavor as well. What it does is promote poor materials and methods and creates an unfair market for those who will do the right thing.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:58 am to mikelbr
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PS These homes are very energy efficient. We do the level billing and over 5 years it ranges from $80-$120/month.
Gas is about $28/month(stove, water heater, and fire place)
Energy efficiency is driven by utility companies various energy "star" programs...and are usually tied to some sort of tax advantage to the builder and developer. The consumer enjoys the benefits no doubt but they builders and developers ain't doing it for the consumer, they are doing it for the tax advantage or due to lender requirements. Homes are more energy efficient today for certain...and the costs are minimal to get them there.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:05 am to Shanegolang
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While I agree this is true there are some of us that did quality work and took pride in what we built as late as the 90s and 2000s. I was a frame and trim carpenter for many years and worked for some people that were hard as Marine Corp drill instructors and demanded good quality work and taught how to do it. Very seldom did an inspector find anything wrong. We knew every code and adhered to the rules. When I built my own home I went overkill on everything that truly mattered. I prided myself on being a true craftsman. Influx of cheap laborers can be thanked for the fall of this. I'm not gonna call anyone out, illegals.......
Part of the problem is adhering to codes that are written to enrich manufactures while actually driving down the quality of the end product. Codes are written by various entities with a financial interest in the industry. They often times are written to favor one method of choice of material over another based on someone on the boards financial interests instead of public safety or quality. Graded lumber is a fine example. The only difference between 2 identical pieces of Douglas fir is the stamp on the one from the mill...a stamp placed there by a mill employee. Every jurisdiction in the nation will accept that stamp while the vast majority will turn down the unstamped version. The stamp is the result of company training based on industry standards developed by a small group of manufacturers and the hypocrisy in that is about as evident as anything I can think of.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:23 am to hikingfan
The local inspector here, who is married to the daughter of a big-time builder here, has a huge fricking house. Seems to spend a lot of time on the golf course.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:45 am to BabyTac
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I’d think the average time owning a DR Horton home is 5 years or less so who cares. If you’re looking for your lifetime ownership in a mass produced house, you deserve what you get.
You’re one of the worst posters I’ve ever seen on the internet.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:58 am to VetteGuy
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Lumber was better. Post pics of the trim work. Oh, nvm, it isn't original b/c it was crap. "Old world" construction is vastly over-rated
Lolz. I have a 110 year old prairie school four square with all original mill work. Original built in China cabinet. Original windows, including stained glass and a leaded, beveled glass front door with matching sidelights and transoms.
The house sits on bois d’arc tree stump piers that are original. It has been fortified with additional concrete piers in some places, but the structural tree stump piers all remain. It is worth ~$400 / sq ft.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:00 am to VetteGuy
I'd much rather have a thoughtfully-built modern home than an 1920's home. The "quality of the lumber" meme I've seen passed around on FB is ate up by the masses. The lumber quality is only one part of many many parts that make a home great. You haven't seen crooked studs until you rip the lath and plaster off an old home. They didn't GAF because the plaster guy could float it out.
Then you have old wiring, old plumbing, asbestos or lead in nearly every manufactured material. Worst of all was little care taken to seal the home. Without air conditioning there was no need to care about it. The result was a home that leaks out air like a chimney and lets in bugs at every point from top to bottom. Sure you can "fix" the aforementioned issues but it will cost as much or more than a new well-built home and at the end of the day you still have a repaired home instead of an intentionally built new home.
Though, I'd probably rather have an old home than one of these cookie-cutter shitshows they are throwing up built "to code".
Then you have old wiring, old plumbing, asbestos or lead in nearly every manufactured material. Worst of all was little care taken to seal the home. Without air conditioning there was no need to care about it. The result was a home that leaks out air like a chimney and lets in bugs at every point from top to bottom. Sure you can "fix" the aforementioned issues but it will cost as much or more than a new well-built home and at the end of the day you still have a repaired home instead of an intentionally built new home.
Though, I'd probably rather have an old home than one of these cookie-cutter shitshows they are throwing up built "to code".
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:06 am to Shanegolang
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Jack stud is the proper term but we called them cripples.
That sort of derogatory hurtful language will land you in some serious hot water with the lead framing foreman these days. Its all explained at the 5am jobsite DEI morning meeting.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:11 am to Turnblad85
This has Stout written all over it.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:15 am to 6R12
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someone getting a house built in a DSLD subdivision. How does the 2 companies compare? Any one have knowledge of this?
I've worked for both.... DSLD so far ahead of Horton it's not even fair comparing them... DSLD build a solid house ...
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:20 am to Koach K
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America is building future ghettos. Real estate finance is a gnat’s dick away from pure fraud.
Like what looks like a communist commune on Nicholson and Ben Hur?
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