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re: Bosses’ opinions of remote work changing quickly
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:43 am to TejasHorn
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:43 am to TejasHorn
I moved to a home office recently. So far I’ve found I’m as, or even more, productive. I still travel for business and come to the office for meetings from time time time. But if I have an “office day”, I’m working from home.
FWIW, I have an actual office set up in a spare bedroom at home.
FWIW, I have an actual office set up in a spare bedroom at home.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 8:45 am
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:46 am to Darth_Vader
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FWIW, I have an actual office set up in a spare bedroom at home.
This is another untracked difference for people.
People with small apartments or with children running around everywhere during the day are probably not going to be as effective or efficient working from home, but a company can’t say you have to have a home office with a door that closes in order to not be in the office due to lawsuits, etc.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:46 am to jmarto1
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There is a ceiling to fricking off at the office for the most part. At home, no supervision
Is there?
What kinda supervision are you guys talking about? I feel like the disconnect here is that some people are referring to low level workers working from home and other people are referring to professionals working from home. I've worked from home for 10+ years, but I have had jobs where I worked out of an office. There was zero supervision there, my office door was closed 90% of the day.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:47 am to TejasHorn
My boss loves the hybrid schedule, as do I. But the COO wants everybody back in the office full time. It'll likely happen by the end of the year. I've grown to love the 2 days at home to break up the week. I will admit tho, I'm more productive in the office.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:48 am to Jcorye1
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It all comes down to the employees. Training younger, new hires over Teams is a chore, and I know I've had a harder time building rapport with people I rarely meet in person. That being said, I also see why wasting time driving in is kind of awful. I like a hybrid two days a week approach.
My experience has been full WFM for about 18 months and hybrid 1 day in the office for 18 months for another organization.
I agree with the point above 100%. WFH has many major benefits and some major drawbacks. Work rapport is virtually non-exist lane unless you go out of your way to make that rapport happen. Either way, it’s a struggle if the other teammates don’t feel the same. The benefits of teammate rapport can be argued but I’m not here to do that.
2 days office and 3 days WFH seem to me the mutually beneficial to both sides.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:49 am to tide06
quote:if you’re managing data entry people or cold callers, sure
If you provide goals that are measurable, agree to reasonable timelines and hold people accountable to their results where they perform the work is meaningless.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:50 am to TejasHorn
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Remote workers put in 3.5 hours less per day of work compared to in-person workers
we've made RECORD profits the last two years and all they can think about is our corporate real estate around the world being underutilized
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:51 am to fallguy_1978
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We never went back to the office full time after Covid. I guess that could change with a change of leadership but my boss is a big fan of the hybrid schedule. Probably because he's got a 40 mile commute
Same here, my boss is commuting from Galveston to Houston so I don’t see us going full time office any time in the future that she’s in charge. Now, her next in charge is pretty much an ‘in office’ guy and he’s a ‘his way or no way’ type guy so if the roles change, we’re likely looking at changes.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:53 am to TejasHorn
Option A - work from home. Get a little extra morning sleep. T-shirt and shorts. Get 5-6 hours of solid, undistracted work in, call it quits around 4 (12 on Fridays).
Option B - do the typical office thing. Stress out about dropping your kids off and making it to the office on time. Spend half your day yapping with coworkers about LSU or the weather. Make 45 posts on Tigerdroppings. Fight the afternoon commute.
I’ll take Option A, which is my current situation, even though my company has an office in the same town as where I live.
Option B - do the typical office thing. Stress out about dropping your kids off and making it to the office on time. Spend half your day yapping with coworkers about LSU or the weather. Make 45 posts on Tigerdroppings. Fight the afternoon commute.
I’ll take Option A, which is my current situation, even though my company has an office in the same town as where I live.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:53 am to ghost2most
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Good luck hiring people. The cat is out of the bag. The only people who will be willing to go back into the office are the weirdos who actually like it because they can't stand being alone and the people with no choice. High performers will peace out and get a different job from home.
My previous employer doesn’t support WFH. Even during the height of pandemic, they had the majority of people coming into the office. I didn’t mind it much at all.
I spoke to my former supervisor last week and he’s been having a decent number of talented people leave for less money at places that have a full WFH option or even a
hybrid schedule.
I don’t know if it will stick - but lots of people are seeking the WFH option still - and many places are offering it as an enticement still.
I’ve been working in offices for almost 30 years. I can see both sides of the argument.
I prefer an office because I like having a “place to go” and do my job. It just feels more natural to me.
Now if you want to talk about shorter work days or 30 hour work weeks for everyone…I’m all for that.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:53 am to GrammarKnotsi
I can see the benefits and drawbacks of both. There is definitely something to be said for actually talking and interacting with your team members face to face in the same room IMO. Overall, I think hybrid is the best approach.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:56 am to CaptainsWafer
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So that tells you how much time is wasted by simply being AT the office
we shadowed our kid at school one day. for being gone for 9 hours, he got about 45 minutes of instruction across 6 subjects. 30 minutes of eating, 30 minutes of PE. there's tons of wasteful time in everything.
some people can rock remote work. i've been doing it 11 years. some people can't. we have an employee who isn't allowed remote because he simply sucks at it and falls asleep during the day or forgets his charger at the office. he's a great employee in the office but he just doesn't have the capacity/discipline to do it at home.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:56 am to LSUfan4444
Got to justify the rents this is a directive by the banking overlords not to mention utility companies
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:57 am to supadave3
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Same here, my boss is commuting from Galveston to Houston so I don’t see us going full time office any time in the future that she’s in charge. Now, her next in charge is pretty much an ‘in office’ guy and he’s a ‘his way or no way’ type guy so if the roles change, we’re likely looking at changes.
Our CIO is a butts in seats guy but so far he's caved to letting us continue with hybrid. They've hired a few people that don't live very close with the stipulation that they only have to come in 1 day per week and otherwise as needed so it would be kind of a shitty thing to change that for those folks. I live 10 minutes away so it's no big deal for me to go in.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:58 am to TejasHorn
A) depends on how you define productivity. If it is metered by a clock only, then you aren't really measuring anything... other than time.
B) Supervisors have an adjustment to make. And there's a trade off for both employees and supervisors: Show your work, more deadlines- clearly defined, more "looking over your shoulder". The trade off: employee has to put up with that.
B) Supervisors have an adjustment to make. And there's a trade off for both employees and supervisors: Show your work, more deadlines- clearly defined, more "looking over your shoulder". The trade off: employee has to put up with that.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:59 am to Jcorye1
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hybrid
This is the future. Hybrid creates some accountability as you have to show you can be presentable in person and have the ability to communicate like a human.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:59 am to LNCHBOX
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RogertheShrubber 236860 posts
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LNCHBOX You literally do nothing but post here all day every day. You can do that shite anywhere.
Rog just got melted like the snow he used to walk uphill both ways in barefoot before going to work in the mines after school back in his day.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:00 am to I20goon
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Supervisors have an adjustment to make. And there's a trade off for both employees and supervisors: Show your work, more deadlines- clearly defined, more "looking over your shoulder". The trade off: employee has to put up with that.
Why though? If the work is still getting done, why micromanage?
The same people that slack WFH also slack in the office.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 9:00 am to TejasHorn
The commercial real estate lobby is getting desperate with these media hit pieces. 
There’s a reason megafunds like Black Rock are investing in residential, not commercial.
There’s a reason megafunds like Black Rock are investing in residential, not commercial.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 9:01 am
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