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Grade Saints Draft. A,B,C etc
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:56 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:56 am
Curious to see what everyone thinks
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:59 am to Granola
B+. No reaches, no borrowing from next year's picks, addressed needs. No 3rd or 4th makes an A impossible.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 9:27 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:00 am to Granola
Yeah high B simply because we couldn’t get enough players due to past moves, and we need a lot of young players. If our first two picks turn into high level starters then I think you could change it to an A in a couple years.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 9:02 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:07 am to Handsome Pete
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No 2nd or 3rd makes an A impossible.
I mean, it doesn't really matter, but I think you grade a draft based solely on the picks you had. What did you do with what you had. And I think we did about as well as possible. Of course teams that made 9 or 10 picks with multiple 1st or 2nd rounders are gonna look good at the time. But not all those dudes are making the team. But again, it doesn't really matter. You can grade a draft on whatever criteria you want.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:12 am to Granola
A solid B.
Addressed need. And no apparent screwups.
Addressed need. And no apparent screwups.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:24 am to Granola
B+
We didn’t give away next year’s draft.
We didn’t give away next year’s draft.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:25 am to Handsome Pete
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B+. No reaches, not borrowing from next year's picks, addressed needs. No 2nd or 3rd makes an A impossible
This, solid B. 1st 2 picks are really good…..Fuaga is pretty nasty and has a lot of experience in the wide zone. If we were going to draft a corner…I wanted either Cooper or Kool-Aid, so I’m happy with that pick as well.
I could have done without the Rattler pick, never been impressed by his game, but with a 5th you may as well take a chance. Depth would have been nice at some other positions, but a lot of 5ths never pan out so…..
Rattler definitely has some physical traits that could be intriguing so it’s worth the pick I guess.
I’m like you though…..can’t give an A with no 3rd. Picks in that round are valuable IMO, but at least they didn’t mortgage anything this year. I can’t believe they resisted doing something stupid.
I am curious to see what happens now with Latt now though. TBH, I rather him here…..but it wouldn’t kill me if he’s gone. He misses quite a few games every year and the secondary seems to function pretty well without him. Especially now with getting Kool-Aid
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:25 am to Hot Carl
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I think you grade a draft based solely on the picks you had. What did you do with what you had. And I think we did about as well as possible
Reasonable way to look at it, but the same front office I'm grading for this draft is responsible for trading away those picks. In my mind, there has to be a penalty. For example: After this weekends trades, Minnesota only has a 1 and a 5 next year - if you like those two picks do they get an A+? More picks also gives you more opportunities to screw up.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:30 am to Granola
B-
Rattler is trash and won't start in the league. If he doesn't become an asset in the film room, he may end up being cut.
Ford was a reach.
Last guy is quintessential I'm smarter than you Saints pick with some off the wall OT from small school.
Bum WR is whatever.
First two picks I think were as solid as can be expected.
Rattler is trash and won't start in the league. If he doesn't become an asset in the film room, he may end up being cut.
Ford was a reach.
Last guy is quintessential I'm smarter than you Saints pick with some off the wall OT from small school.
Bum WR is whatever.
First two picks I think were as solid as can be expected.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:36 am to DiamondDog
I agree with you on Rattler’s total game, I never understood why the media kept trying to say he was creeping up draft boards like he was some great prospect.
He would need a shite TON of development, but it’s a 5th….so it doesn’t bother me quite as much
He would need a shite TON of development, but it’s a 5th….so it doesn’t bother me quite as much
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:50 am to Handsome Pete
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I'm grading for this draft is responsible for trading away those picks. In my mind, there has to be a penalty
But didn't you give them the penalty for the draft where they traded those picks? Isn't part of the good draft grade of this year that you didn't trade away future assets. If you follow that logic, you're penalizing them for the same moves in 2 different drafts. Either penalize '23's grade for giving up '24 draft picks or penalize '24's. Otherwise your double dipping on your penalties.
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Minnesota only has a 1 and a 5 next year - if you like those two picks do they get an A+?
Maybe. I don't know. I don't give draft grades like that. I just either like em or not. That's why none of this really matters. It's all just semantics. I really liked our draft, that's about all I'm capable of judging it on. I do, however, like seeing national guys/sites giving us A+s. And we really won't know about this class for another few years. But we can judge the process, and I really liked our process.
I'd like to know how the power was divided up. Who had the most input, who had any, actually, and who was the one that had the final say?
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:51 am to DiamondDog
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Rattler is trash and won't start in the league
Maybe, but he was a top 100 player on almost all draft boards and projected as a 2nd to 3rd rounder. Good value pick at 150, and you can't win the QB lottery if you don't buy a ticket.
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Ford was a reach.
#129 player on CBS. "Early day 3" prospect on PFF. We got him at 175.
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Last guy is quintessential I'm smarter than you Saints pick with some off the wall OT from small school.
7th round, dude. Come on.
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Bum WR is whatever.
Happens to be Mel Kiper's favorite receiver:
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Means has an intriguing blend of size, strength and speed. He ran a 4.43-second 40-yard dash at the combine and had a 39.5-inch vertical leap. He put up solid numbers even with some rough quarterback play. And he has huge hands and long arms. There's a lot to like here for wide receiver coaches. Projection: Means is likely to be drafted in Round 3, though he might need a little bit of development time before he reaches his potential.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:54 am to Granola
I give them an A -, Fuaga was a no brainer, Kool-Aid was a surprise but a huge value pick with an eye on the future. Rattler has the potential to make this an A plus class, his interviews after he was drafted showed me a QB that life has humbled. With his arm talent and maturity as a young man, it will be no surprise to see him be the Saints starter in a few years. I see Bub, Ford, & Boyd as depth pieces and Ezirim as a nice developmental project. With no 3rd or 4th rounders they chose well, and thankfully didn’t trade any of next year’s picks.
Still some holes at OL, says a lot when fans are suddenly wanting Peat back. Safety play has been bad since Marcus Williams left, last year it was horrible with nothing done to better the position. Lack of a pass rush kills our defense, nothing like watching a QB stand in the pocket for 6 or 7 seconds and no pressure. Maybe Chase Young answers that but he’s coming off of neck surgery.
Still some holes at OL, says a lot when fans are suddenly wanting Peat back. Safety play has been bad since Marcus Williams left, last year it was horrible with nothing done to better the position. Lack of a pass rush kills our defense, nothing like watching a QB stand in the pocket for 6 or 7 seconds and no pressure. Maybe Chase Young answers that but he’s coming off of neck surgery.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:04 am to Granola
Give us a B. Trying to fill needs without over reaching.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:08 am to Handsome Pete
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Rattler is trash and won't start in the league
Maybe, but he was a top 100 player on almost all draft boards and projected as a 2nd to 3rd rounder. Good value pick at 150, and you can't win the QB lottery if you don't buy a ticket.
I feel the same. I think Rattler was taken for the value but also to push the others in the mix. Seems like there is dislike for Haener on this board, but from what I saw from his college film he seems a good fit for us.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:09 am to Granola
I melted pretty hard after the first couple picks but after sleeping a few nights and seeing the rest, I like it a lot more. This draft is absolutely slanted towards the future of the team and not 2024. I actually kinda like that - they took good players that might not really be an impact now.
B+
B+
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:14 am to Granola
Approach and value: A
No reaches - most guys were projected at or better than they went for.
Didn't tunnel vision on just needs when value far exceeded it (Kool aid mckinstry)
Approached future and present at the same time.
Picks were a mix of ceiling and floor guys
No reaches - most guys were projected at or better than they went for.
Didn't tunnel vision on just needs when value far exceeded it (Kool aid mckinstry)
Approached future and present at the same time.
Picks were a mix of ceiling and floor guys
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:45 am to Granola
I think if I were giving it a grade I’d go B+. Glad we did give away all of next years picks while picking up a few starters on the roster
Posted on 4/28/24 at 10:49 am to Granola
I give it a solid A-.
Top 2 picks are great and will be long term starters.
Rattler is a take a chance QB with upside. Will he flame out, who knows, but for a 5th, I'll take a chance at a future starter.
A lot of good things said about Means, so I'm sure willing to see if he can work his way into a top 4 receiver.
Ford, some sites had him as a 5th round pick, so why not. If he develops, awesome, if not, he played special teams at Texas, so maybe develops into stud ST player.
LOVE the Boyd pick. I think he is solid and if went to a big school would've been a much higher pick. Could he be terrible against the best, sure but for a 6th, I'm on board.
Developmental OT in the 7th, sure why not.
Top 2 picks are great and will be long term starters.
Rattler is a take a chance QB with upside. Will he flame out, who knows, but for a 5th, I'll take a chance at a future starter.
A lot of good things said about Means, so I'm sure willing to see if he can work his way into a top 4 receiver.
Ford, some sites had him as a 5th round pick, so why not. If he develops, awesome, if not, he played special teams at Texas, so maybe develops into stud ST player.
LOVE the Boyd pick. I think he is solid and if went to a big school would've been a much higher pick. Could he be terrible against the best, sure but for a 6th, I'm on board.
Developmental OT in the 7th, sure why not.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 11:46 am to Granola
Multiple holes on the Saints roster point to years of poor drafts, bad trades and poor talent evaluation. They don't seem to have made those mistakes this year, at least not glaring ones
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