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re: A worthwhile sharing draft tweet that is very relevant

Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:07 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:07 am to
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Is this franchise an open book that any idiot can read?



Anyone with a pulse can see that we have a desperate need for Tackle that we didn't address at all in FA, and everyone in the league knows that the Saints will give away draft picks to move up
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:12 am to
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What are you even talking about? Guess what are the 2 most important assets for the 2024 saints? The #14 and #45 picks. Guess what are the 2 most important assets for the 2034 saints? The #14 and #45 picks. We need a tackle(or 2) now and the future. Should we just forfeit the picks?


Don’t play dumb. You know good and well what he’s talking about.

The Saints love to trade all of our picks away in order to acquire one good player when we have needs throughout the entire roster that need to be addressed. That one player isn’t going to get us over the hump. There’s too many other needs.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:14 am to
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The Saints love to trade all of our picks away in order to acquire one good player

The two players they have done this most recently are:

Marcus Davenport
Trevor Penning
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:16 am to
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Saints aren't in position to trade future picks, especially with this being a make or break year for Allen


Exactly
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:18 am to
i will say trading Lattimore can add back to future arsenal that may be lost in moving up this year.

I'm also not convince that either kamara or taysom may not be on the table in some ways.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:20 am to
And that may be necessary this year. Sorry if that upsets you, but the Saints can’t play a game with the current tackle situation.

If they believe Fashanu, just picking a name, is the LT for the next decade, go get him. You need him NOW and for the future.

It’s not about getting over any hump, it’s about plugging a gigantic hole and solidifying for future season. Letting all the OTs go and picking Verse or Turner at 14 accomplishes what, exactly? Fine players, but they don’t move the needle for me at all. I’m not advocating for trading up, but if the OTs start flying off the board, you better go get one. One big caveat is if you have similar grades on guys like Mims and Guyton that you do the first tier, then sure take him at 14.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:20 am to
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Yea, so what. Go get the guy that’s a cornerstone of your franchise for the next decade, at a premium position.

Would be nice to not have to, but I’d rather do that than sit back and draft what’s left at 14

This makes no sense.

Overpaying for an OT when we can let teams over-draft players and get a much more valuable BPA at 14.

There is no reason we have to target any specific position other than maybe QB (because we are tied to Carr and it doesn't make logical sense to waste 3-4 years of a rookie QB deal).

We can do OT, OG, DT, Edge, WR, CB, or TE (if Bowers falls)

If the OTs are gone, we should get a stud to slide to us at 14
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:20 am to
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If there's a run on tackles then that means a premium defender or offensive weapon could drop to 14.

Exactly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:21 am to
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but you need a tackle right now.

No we don't. For what?
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:22 am to
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We need to find a starter or two in the lower rounds plus some depth. We trade these pucks too often and find ourselves short of talent with little cap room.


Ideally, yes. But in this draft the Saints have a 1st round pick (14), a second round pick (45), then four 5th round picks (150, 168, 170, 175), two 6th round picks, and a 7th round pick.

The odds of the Saints finding a quality starter or two with 5th, 6th, and/or 7th round picks are relatively low. They MAY have hit last year with Howden (5th round) and Perry (6th), but that is still TBD. However, aside from those two, the list of starters and/or quality depth they've picked from rounds 5-7 is relatively short. So, do you sit back and hope you beat the odds by finding some good players in rounds 5-7? Or do you try to package some of those picks for, say, 3 top 120 picks where the odds of "hitting" are higher?

I'd be shocked if the Saints don't make a trade to ensure they get at least 3 (maybe four) picks in the top 130. They aren't going to take a long lunch in rounds 3 and 4. They are making a pick in at least one of those rounds...even though they currently don't have one.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:22 am to
Agree that there are multiple positions we could address. Strong disagree that OT isn’t a position we have to target.

Your tackles right now are Ramczyk, Penning, Hurst, and the dude we signed from Washington.

That won’t work
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:24 am to
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Your tackles right now are Ramczyk, Penning, Hurst, and the dude we signed from Washington.


Landon Young can be a viable RT for us.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:26 am to
Maybe but he’s, what, a bottom 3rd of the league RT?

If you told me we bring back Peat and sign Becton, I can possibly be swayed into thinking OT is ok for a season, but you’re on super thin ice.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:26 am to
I think it's smoke. This year due to so many needing qbs the cost is really really high to move up in the top ten. So a rumor starts about OTs needing to move up which pushes qbs down. I think its BS fear mongering lol
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:27 am to
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Letting all the OTs go and picking Verse or Turner at 14 accomplishes what, exactly?

Sets us up for the future better than over-drafting an OT.

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:27 am to
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Maybe but he’s, what, a bottom 3rd of the league RT?


anything close to average and capable is a win given our cap and roster needs.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:28 am to
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Strong disagree that OT isn’t a position we have to target.

Your tackles right now are Ramczyk, Penning, Hurst, and the dude we signed from Washington.

And? That only affects 2024, and we have options (Hurt, Peat for 1 year, etc).

2024 is irrelevant in the big picture. A HOF OT isn't pushing us to SB contender status in 2024.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:29 am to
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anything close to average and capable is a win given our cap and roster needs.

Correct. We only need an average OL.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:29 am to
To what end though? You have zero long term solution at either tackle spot unless Penning performs a miracle.

You’ll need to address the glaring need eventually. And even if you hate this team, we aren’t going to be drafting top 3 next year to have Will Campbell fall in our laps.
Posted by DBG
vermont
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:31 am to
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A HOF OT isn't pushing us to SB contender status in 2024.


Maybe he does in 2030. I’ve said it like 5 times, OT is a future pick as much as it is a 2024 pick.
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