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What IS BI's market value
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:41 am
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:41 am
Not our random metric, but what does the rest of league think he's worth?
1st, multiple 1sts, a young, high-upside player? I am genuinely curious, as I have NO clue
1st, multiple 1sts, a young, high-upside player? I am genuinely curious, as I have NO clue
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:59 am to jrobic4
Not too good imo.
He's on par with RJ Barrett.
So I think you could maybe trade Ingram and a pick or a prospect like Dyson for a player about the quality of OG.
He's on par with RJ Barrett.
So I think you could maybe trade Ingram and a pick or a prospect like Dyson for a player about the quality of OG.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:59 am to jrobic4
With the way he’s been playing and the salary extension he’s going to want in the offseason, not much unfortunately. I can see Griff using his Lonzo Ball strategy on BI 
Posted on 4/27/24 at 8:59 am to jrobic4
If he were traded, he would be the best player on the market and we would be stupid to treat him as anything less.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 9:19 am to PELsu
quote:
If he were traded, he would be the best player on the market
1) It's possible Donovan Mitchell gets traded and I think many people would rate him better than Ingram
2) This is a weird year with the new, more restrictive tax rules and you have quite a few heavy tax teams that are not playing well in the playoffs. It would not be surprising if some of the teams from the heavy tax payers: the Warriors, Suns, Clippers, or Bucks, dump some good players on the market cheap to shed some salary. That will have a downward affect on the amount you get back on players being traded.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:23 am to jrobic4
It’s better than some people will probably say on here.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:36 am to jrobic4
Ive said it many times:
Tier 1: Him + Picks
KAT
Trae
Tier 2: Just Him
Murray
Allen
Tier 1: Him + Picks
KAT
Trae
Tier 2: Just Him
Murray
Allen
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:15 am to 50_Tiger
I would love to do a 2 for 1. Trade BI and maybe some picks/players and get a PG and a C. Maybe Murray and Mobley, Scoot and Ayton, Garland and Allen….
And I’m aware some of those are more realistic than others. More dreaming than reality.
And I’m aware some of those are more realistic than others. More dreaming than reality.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:36 am to jrobic4
Everyone shitting on BI forgot times he carried us on his back. The whole team is playing like shot, not just him.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:43 am to PTinBR
quote:
would love to do a 2 for 1. Trade BI and maybe some picks/players and get a PG and a C. Maybe Garland and Allen….
quote:
maybe Garland and Allen…
Nope.Not going to happen.
If we want to keep Herb/ Trey/ Dyson/ Zion/ Hawkins as our core (we should) then we need to see best packages for anyone else.
BI/ Naji/ Jose/ Nance (expiring)
All have value. Jose may be the only one that is more "valuable" to us than what we may get back. But that's individually. He could also be the difference maker in a BI trade.
We still have:
Pels 24 1st + (Mil swap)
Lakers 24/25 1st
Pels 25 1st
Pels 26 1st+ (Mil swap)
Pels 27 1st
Mil 27 1st
Pels 28 1st
Pels 29 1st
Pels 30 1st
So we can send
(1) Pels 24/25 1st
(1) Lakers 24/25 1st
(1) Mil 27 1st
(1) Pels 30 1st
(2) Mil swaps
(1) Pels swap
We can package BI + Nance + _____ + (4) 1st + (3) swaps
And still have (5) 1st from 25'-29'
If we keep 25' and trade 26' + 28' then we could technically send out (6) 1st + (3) swaps + BI + Nance.
We would have (3) 1st 25' , 27' , 29' and have essentially our whole core for the next 5/6+ years. CJ stays til the end and his money is spread to keep sustainability.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:53 am to Dantheman504
I don’t think you can hold onto Dyson and Hawk that tightly. I like both of them, but if you want to get something of value back, you have to give up something of value.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:59 am to jrobic4
Most ideal scenario IMO would be
BI + Nance + Naji + 24' 1st (2) Mil swaps + future 1st
Jalen Duren/ Quentin Grimes 1 or 2 future Detroit picks.
Gives us a center while maybe still resigning Val. Gives us another shooter that could be great in the right system.
Plenty cap space/ flexibility.
You could actually then bring in Draymond and resign Jose..
CJ/ Jose/ PG
Herb/ Hawkins/ Grimes
Trey/ Dyson/ Ryan
Zion/ Draymond/ PF
Duren/ Val/ euro
BI + Nance + Naji + 24' 1st (2) Mil swaps + future 1st
Jalen Duren/ Quentin Grimes 1 or 2 future Detroit picks.
Gives us a center while maybe still resigning Val. Gives us another shooter that could be great in the right system.
Plenty cap space/ flexibility.
You could actually then bring in Draymond and resign Jose..
CJ/ Jose/ PG
Herb/ Hawkins/ Grimes
Trey/ Dyson/ Ryan
Zion/ Draymond/ PF
Duren/ Val/ euro
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:05 pm to BigPerm30
Nothing close to what we think.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:54 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
This is a weird year with the new, more restrictive tax rules and you have quite a few heavy tax teams that are not playing well in the playoffs. It would not be surprising if some of the teams from the heavy tax payers: the Warriors, Suns, Clippers, or Bucks, dump some good players on the market cheap to shed some salary. That will have a downward affect on the amount you get back on players being traded.
Actually that would be better for the pels. I think with bi you might have to make it a 3 team trade. I doubt bi is going out by himself.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:56 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
BI + Nance + Naji + 24' 1st (2) Mil swaps + future 1st
Jalen Duren/ Quentin Grimes 1 or 2 future Detroit picks.
Gives us a center while maybe still resigning Val. Gives us another shooter that could be great in the right system.
Plenty cap space/ flexibility.
Seems like too much to give up. No?
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:18 pm to Dantheman504
We trading free agents?
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:26 pm to jrobic4
without giving up a first with him, we might get a ham sandwich
Posted on 4/27/24 at 6:28 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
Seems like too much to give up. No?
Depends on what you want to get back.
Do we always want to match someone we don't want to pay X amount for people of X amount?
Why can't we go into the offseason as buyers with cap space for once? Does that usually hurt teams?
(1) Pels 1st + (2) Mil swaps + Nance is a good bit less value than
(2) Detroit 1st in the next 5 years
At that point you have
BI for Duren + Grimes
We have SF depth and the issue is BI shooting 3's. This gives you another 23 y/o shooter that hasn't played up to a huge contract and can be retained for 3-5 years. You also get Duren who can be your future Center on a great value contract.
That contract allows you flexibility to
Resign Val
Resign Murphy
Not worry about Hawk/ Dyson til after CJ
The 2 for 2 swap of BI/ Nance for Duren/ Grimes fills 2 holes for cap space and C.
We would have about (45mil) next season.
Get Val back and center is set.
Sign Jose
We would have 20-30mil to fill PG/ backup PF/ 3rd string C.
OR you send BI+ (6) 1st + (3) swaps for Ant. And they may say no.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 6:29 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
We trading free agents?
Meh I was thinking sign and trade type thing. I would be very surprised if him and BI don't stay together if its possible.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 6:51 pm to jrobic4
Brandon Ingram has expressed that Toronto is one of his favorite Road cities
Trading him straight up for RJ Barrett is probably fair trade value, but I’m not 100% sure Toronto would want to do that trade as RJ makes less money and showed really positive upside late in the season. (Even after dealing with the tragic loss of his brother)
Ingram is 120% of RJ, but he’s older, with less upside, and he’s stubborn with his playstyle
RJ also has a special, natural relationship with Zion, whereas Ingram and Zion never have been besties on or off the court and have really had to work on their relationship to somewhat coexist. RJ is also more likely to fall in line and accept that he’s probably best suited as the 3rd banana, vs Ingram thinking he is and should be the Main Character over Zion.
I think that would be a beautiful trade from many perspectives if we decide to make that commitment to Zion as our clear cut #1.
Trading him straight up for RJ Barrett is probably fair trade value, but I’m not 100% sure Toronto would want to do that trade as RJ makes less money and showed really positive upside late in the season. (Even after dealing with the tragic loss of his brother)
Ingram is 120% of RJ, but he’s older, with less upside, and he’s stubborn with his playstyle
RJ also has a special, natural relationship with Zion, whereas Ingram and Zion never have been besties on or off the court and have really had to work on their relationship to somewhat coexist. RJ is also more likely to fall in line and accept that he’s probably best suited as the 3rd banana, vs Ingram thinking he is and should be the Main Character over Zion.
I think that would be a beautiful trade from many perspectives if we decide to make that commitment to Zion as our clear cut #1.
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