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re: Players that we could potentially trade Ingram for straight-up
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:16 am to saints5021
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:16 am to saints5021
Michael Porter Jr is a really interesting person i thought about before.
He can play the 5 with Zion.
I really like how Trey has been helping rebound late in the year.
If Zion becomes the rebounding machine he should be a lineup of
CJ/Herb/Trey/Zion/MPJ would be extremely difficult to beat.
He can play the 5 with Zion.
I really like how Trey has been helping rebound late in the year.
If Zion becomes the rebounding machine he should be a lineup of
CJ/Herb/Trey/Zion/MPJ would be extremely difficult to beat.
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Trae Young - ATL Better fit, better in the clutch, don't like him and CJ in the backcourt and he's too much of a ball hog.
Zach Lavine - CHI actually a great fit b/c of his elite 3 point shooting, but major attitude problems. If he would get his mind right and come to play on both ends of the court, could be a game changer.
Donavan Mitchell - CLE Would without a doubt take the risk of trading for him and hoping we can extend him.
Pascal Siakam - IND Absolutely not. can't shoot and one of the worst clutch players in the league this year.
Bam Adebayo - MIA in a heartbeat
Khris Middleton - MIL too old, no way
Jordan Poole - WA
Kyrie Irving - DAL He's not going anywhere
Michael Porter - DEN see above
Andrew Wiggins - GS Nah He's not an upgrade at that position
Fred VanVleet - HOU They woudl need to throw in more than that
Jarrett Jackson - MEM they aren't trading him.
Karl Anthony Towns - MIN in a heartbeat
Devin Booker - PHX They aren't trading him.
Deyondre Ayton - POR
De'Aaron Fox - SAC They aren't trading him. They are looking to add to the team as they have the assets to do so.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's not a "legitimate point guard", though.
He averages almost 11 assists per game, if that’s nit “true point guard” I don’t know what is.
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How is Trae Young hogging the ball and being a ball stopper the perfect fit for Zion?
Again, 11 assists per game, and his usage rate is not much higher than Ingram’s, so he would just fit into that slot, and also more touches will be gained with CJ going to the bench role.
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He is also legit terrible on D
Good thing scoring more points than your opponent is what wins games. We have been the 6th best defense all season, look where we are at.
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Trae Young is an amplified version of CJ
Correct, amplified as in CJ as a legitimate PG, CJ is a perfect fit for this team despite the people here that think an off night of shooting makes him a bad player.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:18 am to Chad504boy
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need trey murph and jordan hawk to be those 3 pt shooters. They are cheap and have huge ceilings.
Trey does it in spurts when he is a starter, but I want a guard that does it.
Hawk I am not relying on for anything. If he develops into a guy that can do it regularly and play at least some D, then great.
If we are getting a guy like Young, I am also moving CJ for the Center I need and spare parts.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:19 am to Soggymoss
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He averages almost 11 assists per game, if that’s nit “true point guard” I don’t know what is.
A guy who can run an offense and not just hog the ball.
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Again, 11 assists per game,
From hogging the ball. How does that mesh with Zion?
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and his usage rate is not much higher than Ingram’s, so he would just fit into that slot,
So we're running out CJ and Trae?
Trae failed with Murray being the real point guard who would compensate defensively. We don't have anything like a Murray to pair with Trae.
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Good thing scoring more points than your opponent is what wins games.
Then why are his teams routinely terrible?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:21 am to Soggymoss
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Why would we want a legitimate point guard that is not afraid to take 10 3’s a night and can give you double digit assists and is basically the perfect fit around Zion?
You do know that he's a career 35% 3 point shooter? and in 27 playoff games he's a 30% 3 point shooter.
And i woudl without a doubt entertain the idea of bringing Trae in, but if he came here then CJ would need to bounce b/c we can't have a backcourt of an even worst defender than Dame with CJ, as we know that doesn't work well.
If you said we could bring in Trae and Jarrett Allen while sending out CJ and BI, i could get behind that.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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A guy who can run an offense and not just hog the ball.
Those guys are ceasing to exist.
"True" PGs in the modern era are now guys like Curry and Young.
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How does that mesh with Zion?
A guy with actual gravity that forces teams to defend out to the logo? That meshes pretty well.
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So we're running out CJ and Trae?
If we are getting Trae, I am also moving CJ in a larger or different deal to get other parts that fit.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Let's not forget that Ingram is a black hole on offense with his ISO style and his defense sucks. We are not looking to replace prime Jordan with any of these guys. I think you make any trade that balances your roster. Ingram's game does not work with Zion's game. Find a way to bring in someone who complements Zion.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:23 am to TeddyPadillac
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You do know that he's a career 35% 3 point shooter?
I actually did not know this. He's had years of borderline elite shooting and years of not even close to elite. Interesting
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:25 am to Fun Bunch
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Those guys are ceasing to exist.
I'm not arguing that
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"True" PGs in the modern era are now guys like Curry and Young.
Naw. They are their own thing, which is more like what CJ is for us (at a lower level). And Curry is different than Trae/CJ due to the ball movement on his offense. He's not playing iso-hero ball. The 0-guard (which is what Trae is and CJ is trying to be now) has been around for a long time.
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A guy with actual gravity that forces teams to defend out to the logo? That meshes pretty well.
Again, he's not a spot up 3 point shooter to create that sort of gravity for Zion. He demands the ball, which takes the ball out of Zion's hands.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Fair. What is your plan?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:27 am to saints5021
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Find a way to bring in someone who complements Zion.
Which is not Trae Young
In a dream scenario, we could get a guy like Bam. We need a 5 who can play D and rotate while not being a 0 on offense (Bam is a lot better than that). The problem is EVERYONE wants a guy like Bam, including Miami, so he's almost assuredly not an option.
If we have a 5 that fits (in exchange for BI), we don't need that much else.
We need complimentary pieces to Zion/Herb/Trey. Ignoring attitude issues, Dejonte Murray would work. Trae won't.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
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What is your plan?
I don't know if there is a good one unless a defensive 5 comes available.
You give up everything for Bam
You give up a lot for Mobley
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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So we're running out CJ and Trae?
Straight up ignored the fact i said CJ would come off the bench i see
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:30 am to Soggymoss
So we're running out Jose and Trae? 
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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You give up a lot for Mobley
I think Mobley's value is low right now, and he would be one of my #1 offseason targets
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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So we're running out Jose and Trae?
You obviously run out Trae and Herb
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
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You obviously run out Trae and Herb
You need 5 additional million to match Trae's salary. Who are we sending out with BI?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
I mean if Mobley isn't on the table, you can give up a lot for Allen.
CLE can't keep both of them. That's clear after this year. It just doesn't work (like Trae and Murray).
CLE is also going to have to deal Mitchell...the question is where. Dame also may be dealt b/c that didn't work, either, and he clearly wants to be in MIA. Those 2 guys will determine a lot this offseason, including multi-team deals we may be able to get in on.
CLE can't keep both of them. That's clear after this year. It just doesn't work (like Trae and Murray).
CLE is also going to have to deal Mitchell...the question is where. Dame also may be dealt b/c that didn't work, either, and he clearly wants to be in MIA. Those 2 guys will determine a lot this offseason, including multi-team deals we may be able to get in on.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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So we're running out Jose and Trae?
Bruh, is it that hard to understand?
Trae
Herb
Trey
Zion
Mobley
Bench
CJ
Dyson
Jose
Hawk
Backup C
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:35 am to Soggymoss
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Trae
Herb
Trey
Zion
Mobley
How do we get Trae AND Mobley?
Especially with this bench
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CJ
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:36 am
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