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I think yall are too hard on Willie Green
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:37 am
Don’t come at me, I don’t think he is perfect and I didn’t love the rotations or decisions last game.
Overall I think he’s doing a good job getting the team playing hard and buying in defensively, he’s got Zion locked in and the team is IMO punching above its weight class which is what you want in a coach.
He gets blasted for bad rotations, but he’s not in charge of the roster, it’s not his fault we don’t have rim protection and he’s often forced to choose between Larry and Jonas which can be lose lose. He doesn’t always make perfect choices, but he’s also hamstrung by our personnel
It’s not his fault BI is hurt
People say we rely on CJ too much but what other shot creators do we have outside of him and Zion without BI?
I like the small ball lineup a lot but we can’t run that out for an entire game, it’s brings its own challenges.
Overall the team this year is better than it should be, what else can he do?
Overall I think he’s doing a good job getting the team playing hard and buying in defensively, he’s got Zion locked in and the team is IMO punching above its weight class which is what you want in a coach.
He gets blasted for bad rotations, but he’s not in charge of the roster, it’s not his fault we don’t have rim protection and he’s often forced to choose between Larry and Jonas which can be lose lose. He doesn’t always make perfect choices, but he’s also hamstrung by our personnel
It’s not his fault BI is hurt
People say we rely on CJ too much but what other shot creators do we have outside of him and Zion without BI?
I like the small ball lineup a lot but we can’t run that out for an entire game, it’s brings its own challenges.
Overall the team this year is better than it should be, what else can he do?
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 11:38 am
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:40 am to Tiger1242
Should we extend him then?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:44 am to DatPelican
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Should we extend him then?
I’d be fine with it, players seem to like him, who would we replace him with would be my question
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:48 am to Tiger1242
quote:this.
who would we replace him with would be my question
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:52 am to Tiger1242
Not a huge fan but this team has so many "unfixable" (at this time) problems with it's roster that it's hard to get too upset with Willie. Imagine you're an NBA coach trying to compete in the playoffs...& your basic choice at the "5" is...Val or Nance, Jr.
By the way...I expect to see MUCH more of Dyson Daniels, suspect offense and all, down the stretch...and during the playoffs. This should give most everybody around here an idea...of just HOW bad Willie thinks some of our individual players are on the defensive end.
By the way...I expect to see MUCH more of Dyson Daniels, suspect offense and all, down the stretch...and during the playoffs. This should give most everybody around here an idea...of just HOW bad Willie thinks some of our individual players are on the defensive end.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:57 am to Tiger1242
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I’d be fine with it, players seem to like him, who would we replace him with would be my question
People asking this so lets keep this in mind as well. Mike Malone and Chris Finch were first time head coaches who were pelicans assistants. Nick Nurse was an assistant coach with raptors before his head coach Casey was fired. The Thunder head coach was the head coach of the thunder gleague team before he took his job.
All I’m saying is the theory that we can’t move on from Willie Green because there is no one to replace him is bullshite. All the coaches I named you above were not these crazy big time names before they got hired. There are several great candidates that peoole haven’t heard of including one on our own staff (Borrego). We’ll see how Willie does in playoffs but he shouldn’t just stay because there’s no big time name coach to replace him. Thats a very lazy take.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
My wife is cheating on me but who else is there?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:05 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Imagine you're an NBA coach trying to compete in the playoffs...& your basic choice at the "5" is...Val or Nance, Jr.
Imagine being the Thunder head coach and your choice at “5” is a skinny tall rookie or imagine being mike brown of kings and you don’t really have a center. My point being good coaches maximize their talent and bad coaches struggle with this.
I think Dyson played great against the suns but lets be real Dyson has a longer leash with Willie because he can play great on defense even though he has some abysmal games on offense. Which again comes to the point, not all your players are going to be great defensive players but you can still maximize their other strengths like shooting and offense. Again Willie fails to maximize his players.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Imagine being the Thunder head coach and your choice at “5” is a skinny tall rookie or imagine being mike brown of kings and you don’t really have a center. My point being good coaches maximize their talent and bad coaches struggle with this.
Would you say we are not maximizing are talent?
Also your Thunder take is ridiculous Chet isn’t just a random skinny rookie
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:16 pm to Pels_Yaz
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All I’m saying is the theory that we can’t move on from Willie Green because there is no one to replace him is bullshite. All the coaches I named you above were not these crazy big time names before they got hired. There are several great candidates that peoole haven’t heard of including one on our own staff (Borrego). We’ll see how Willie does in playoffs but he shouldn’t just stay because there’s no big time name coach to replace him. Thats a very lazy take.
But Willy was one of those guys too. We already have a good coach, I am not sure why we should take a risk when he’s done well IMO.
He’s not the best X’s and O’s coach in the league but that is a skill he can improve, especially given a better roster
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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imagine being mike brown of kings and you don’t really have a center.
Is the coaching of Mike Brown blowing you away or something? You think he is doing a better job than Willie?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:43 pm to DatPelican
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Should we extend him then?
frick no. I’ll extend him if he somehow gets us to the WCF. Other than that, we need new blood. We need an athletic center and a creative offensive coach in the offseason.
If Griff was set on Willie, he’d already be extended.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:46 pm to Pels_Yaz
Is Sabonis not a 5? What does the Kings reference even mean
Posted on 4/3/24 at 12:56 pm to Tiger1242
my biggest problem is his overreliance on Larry when teams have no answer for JV
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
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There are several great candidates that peoole haven’t heard of including one on our own staff (Borrego)
What makes Borrego a "great" candidate other than being not Willie?
If/when we don't extend Willie, I hope we hire from outside the staff and not promote a dude who only got his first head coaching job because he had some fuzzy connection with Michael Jordan prior to joining Charlotte.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:11 pm to saintsfan92612
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my biggest problem is his overreliance on Larry when teams have no answer for JV
I agree with this. Some games Jonas is bad but some games he dominates then doesn’t play the whole 2nd half, that’s frustrating
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:35 pm to Broski
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What makes Borrego a "great" candidate other than being not Willie? If/when we don't extend Willie, I hope we hire from outside the staff and not promote a dude who only got his first head coaching job because he had some fuzzy connection with Michael Jordan prior to joining Charlotte.
He was pretty successful in crafting one of the better offenses in charlotte with lamelo. He worked under Poppovich in San Antonio for years and was generally looked upon as a great assistant on his staff. He got his head coaching iob because of his time in San Antonio under Poppovich.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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He got his head coaching iob because of his time in San Antonio under Poppovich.
You need to listen to the basketball illuminati podcast episode centered around Borrego's mysterious Charlotte hiring.
It was from a year or two ago. One of the first episodes from the show and it was really good.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:38 pm to Tiger1242
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Would you say we are not maximizing are talent? Also your Thunder take is ridiculous Chet isn’t just a random skinny rookie
Chet is an underweight rookie who is really a 4 playing center. Yes Chet is good at a lot if things but he has major issues defending guys bigger than him. The thunder are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and still one of the top teams in the west. That has a lot to do with their coach.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:42 pm to Tiger1242
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But Willy was one of those guys too. We already have a good coach, I am not sure why we should take a risk when he’s done well IMO. He’s not the best X’s and O’s coach in the league but that is a skill he can improve, especially given a better roster
Willie was NOT ONE of those guys. All those coaches above excelled in their X and O knowledge. Willie was hired in large part due to culture and communication. Hes in his third year and hes making X and O mistakes- basic assistants wouldn’t make. A better roster wont make it better. Hes had a better roster every year.
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