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BI has scored over 20, once in the last 11 games...
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:33 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:33 am
Why? He's now averaging his lowest PPG since he was with the Lakers.
I'd question if he was hurt, but we know he wouldn't be playing.
Can't have your No. 1 average 15 ppg.
He's been distributing well, but I'd rather have a real PG do that.
It's depressing that our team is built around two "Stars" who are falling further and further down the tiers of NBA players.
I used to think we had one top 10 guy in Zion and another top 20.
Now we have two top 30 at best.
Basically, we have three no. 3s.
I'd question if he was hurt, but we know he wouldn't be playing.
Can't have your No. 1 average 15 ppg.
He's been distributing well, but I'd rather have a real PG do that.
It's depressing that our team is built around two "Stars" who are falling further and further down the tiers of NBA players.
I used to think we had one top 10 guy in Zion and another top 20.
Now we have two top 30 at best.
Basically, we have three no. 3s.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 7:41 am
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Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:45 am to ghost2most
Zion is not even close to a #3 dude, saying this is probably the dumbest take on this board, and there have been some ridiculous ones.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:54 am to ghost2most
Where would you even put BI and Zion at this point?
Tier 1
Jokic
Giannis
Luka
Embiid
Curry
Kawhi
Tier 2
Taytum
Booker
KD
Davis
SGA
Tier 3
Butler
Bam
Lillard
Kyrie
George
Murray
Mitchell
Brunson
Maxey
Edwards
Lebron
Ja
Haliburton
Tier 4
Bane
Young
Markannen
Brown
Towns
Sengun
Sabonis
Fox
Wemby
Chet
That's 34 players that are playing better than Zion and Ingram. I'd trade BI for any of them. I'd trade Zion for most at this point minus the old guys like Lebron, Lillard, Durant, George, etc. and headcase like Trae and Towns.
So now you get to tier 5
JJJ
Banchero
Randle
Bridges
Siakam
Kuzma
Grant
Porzingis
Tier 5 is about where BI fits in. I'd say Zion is a high level Tier 5 to low level Tier 4 this season. Last year he was definitely Tier 1.
You can argue the rankings, but look at the first 3 tiers and tell me one dude you straight up think BI and Zion are playing better than.
CJ is probably in the mix for Tier 5 too.
We don't have a third string center issue. We have a no super star issue.
Tier 1
Jokic
Giannis
Luka
Embiid
Curry
Kawhi
Tier 2
Taytum
Booker
KD
Davis
SGA
Tier 3
Butler
Bam
Lillard
Kyrie
George
Murray
Mitchell
Brunson
Maxey
Edwards
Lebron
Ja
Haliburton
Tier 4
Bane
Young
Markannen
Brown
Towns
Sengun
Sabonis
Fox
Wemby
Chet
That's 34 players that are playing better than Zion and Ingram. I'd trade BI for any of them. I'd trade Zion for most at this point minus the old guys like Lebron, Lillard, Durant, George, etc. and headcase like Trae and Towns.
So now you get to tier 5
JJJ
Banchero
Randle
Bridges
Siakam
Kuzma
Grant
Porzingis
Tier 5 is about where BI fits in. I'd say Zion is a high level Tier 5 to low level Tier 4 this season. Last year he was definitely Tier 1.
You can argue the rankings, but look at the first 3 tiers and tell me one dude you straight up think BI and Zion are playing better than.
CJ is probably in the mix for Tier 5 too.
We don't have a third string center issue. We have a no super star issue.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:55 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Zion is not even close to a #3 dude, saying this is probably the dumbest take on this board, and there have been some ridiculous ones.
See my post above and tell me who of the top 3 tiers, Zion is playing better than right now. And I like Zion and thought he was a superstar last year. He's getting better this season but still can't take over a game like he did last year against Minny, Denver and Philly.
Potential wise yes. But current play including stamina, defense, etc. Who is he better than in those top 3 tiers?
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 8:04 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 7:57 am to ghost2most
I wish it weren’t true but we aren't going anywhere with BI.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 7:58 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:02 am to IronJohn
IMO. We're basically the Kings with better depth. Sabonis and Fox are very good but not elite players. Neither can lead a team to a title. Same for our guys right now imo.
Our two stars aren't playing like No. 1s. Zion has his moments.
BI is good every fourth game at this point.
We're winning because of depth which will be massively exposed in the playoffs unless Zion somehow gets back to 2022 Zion.
I have a little hope he can. BI I'm just done with. He is what he is. A No. 3 paid like a No. 1.
Our two stars aren't playing like No. 1s. Zion has his moments.
BI is good every fourth game at this point.
We're winning because of depth which will be massively exposed in the playoffs unless Zion somehow gets back to 2022 Zion.
I have a little hope he can. BI I'm just done with. He is what he is. A No. 3 paid like a No. 1.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 8:03 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:05 am to ghost2most
You pussies are retarded.
BI and Zion are learning how to play winning basketball.
Would you rather us lose while they stat chase?
We are on pace for close to a 50 win season and you pussies are whining.
And listing players who you would “list above” BI/Zion/CJ
Bam Adebayo? Bane? Brunson over Zion?
Can the morons please stop. Theyre good players but there isnt a Coach or GM in the league that thinks theyre better than Zion.
BI and Zion are learning how to play winning basketball.
Would you rather us lose while they stat chase?
We are on pace for close to a 50 win season and you pussies are whining.
And listing players who you would “list above” BI/Zion/CJ
quote:
Tier 3 Butler Bam Lillard Kyrie George Murray Mitchell Brunson Maxey Edwards Lebron Ja Haliburton Tier 4 Bane Young Markannen Brown Towns Sengun Sabonis Fox Wemby Chet
Bam Adebayo? Bane? Brunson over Zion?
Can the morons please stop. Theyre good players but there isnt a Coach or GM in the league that thinks theyre better than Zion.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 8:09 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:23 am to paulbeasy
Yeah, I would even put Zion above SGA.
Flopping around the court like a fish trying to get fouls called does not make you a great player.
Flopping around the court like a fish trying to get fouls called does not make you a great player.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:24 am to paulbeasy
I think Zion has much more potential but I think those guys are playing better currently
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:28 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Flopping around the court like a fish trying to get fouls called does not make you a great player.
I can't stand it but it's the current winning formula in the NBA.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:29 am to ghost2most
There are a lot of guys you listed that I wouldn’t take over Zion. You can’t actually believe all of what you just listed there.
Look at our record, we’re playing well and we are about done with the toughest portion of our schedule. What are you complaining about? The goal is to win and we are doing that.
Look at our record, we’re playing well and we are about done with the toughest portion of our schedule. What are you complaining about? The goal is to win and we are doing that.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:31 am to ghost2most
We've got our star scoring 13 points while real stars are dropping 60.
Amd it's not like BI is all defense or something. Dude is an offensive player who isn't playing great offense.
Amd it's not like BI is all defense or something. Dude is an offensive player who isn't playing great offense.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:34 am to ghost2most
quote:
can't stand it but it's the current winning formula in the NBA.
I would rather watch the game played the right way and not win than watch whatever the frick it is he does.
Take away the ridiculous calls they give that dude and he’s scoring 24-25 points a game on 21 shots. Give me Zion not flopping over that all day long.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:37 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Take away the ridiculous calls they give that dude and he’s scoring 24-25 points a game on 21 shots. Give me Zion not flopping over that all day long.
Adapt or die. You're going to get your wish. We aren't going anywhere because we don't play the game.
I agree it's bullshite, but it's not changing.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:37 am to ghost2most
For the record, I'm exaggerating a bit on who I'd trade Zion for. I still have hope for him.
Ingram can GTF though.
Ingram can GTF though.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:39 am to ghost2most
It changes in the playoffs, which is where it will matter.
If I were a player in today’s game I would be broke for calling that bullshite out every game though. The NBA will start losing fans over it, you’re starting to see more and more complaining about it.
If I were a player in today’s game I would be broke for calling that bullshite out every game though. The NBA will start losing fans over it, you’re starting to see more and more complaining about it.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:43 am to Soggymoss
Maybe. But I doubt it. Most nba fans and fans in general are retarded star frickers.
I mean how could anyone actually like Lebron or Kyrie? But they're two of the most popular players in the league.
I mean how could anyone actually like Lebron or Kyrie? But they're two of the most popular players in the league.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 8:54 am to ghost2most
Based on my list, here's who I'd swap BI/Zion for.
Tier 1
Jokic (BI/Zion)
Giannis (BI/Zion)
Luka (BI/Zion)
Embiid (BI/Zion)
Curry BI
Kawhi BI
Tier 2
Taytum (BI/Zion)
Booker (BI/Zion)
KD neither
Davis neither
SGA BI
Tier 3
Butler BI
Bam BI
Lillard neither
Kyrie neither
George neither
Murray BI
Mitchell BI
Brunson BI
Maxey BI
Edwards (BI/Zion)
Lebron neither
Ja neither
Haliburton (BI/Zion)
Tier 4
Bane BI
Young neither
Markannen BI
Brown BI
Towns neither
Sengun BI
Sabonis BI
Fox BI
Wemby (BI/Zion)
Chet BI
I think a lot of the neithers are better than BI but I don't want an old guy like Lillard, KD, George, etc. And I want nothing to do with Klutch or guys like Kyrie, Towns, Young, etc.
Tier 1
Jokic (BI/Zion)
Giannis (BI/Zion)
Luka (BI/Zion)
Embiid (BI/Zion)
Curry BI
Kawhi BI
Tier 2
Taytum (BI/Zion)
Booker (BI/Zion)
KD neither
Davis neither
SGA BI
Tier 3
Butler BI
Bam BI
Lillard neither
Kyrie neither
George neither
Murray BI
Mitchell BI
Brunson BI
Maxey BI
Edwards (BI/Zion)
Lebron neither
Ja neither
Haliburton (BI/Zion)
Tier 4
Bane BI
Young neither
Markannen BI
Brown BI
Towns neither
Sengun BI
Sabonis BI
Fox BI
Wemby (BI/Zion)
Chet BI
I think a lot of the neithers are better than BI but I don't want an old guy like Lillard, KD, George, etc. And I want nothing to do with Klutch or guys like Kyrie, Towns, Young, etc.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 8:55 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:16 am to ghost2most
He's in a slump in January.
Are yal beating that drum with trey murphy (who most of yal think is the replacement for ingram)?
Ingram's apg is up and tov down in the same month as well. He's not forcing as much either. Which is what we want to see - growth.
Now this shows me he's not a 40mil max player, which I think is all of our biggest fear.
Are yal beating that drum with trey murphy (who most of yal think is the replacement for ingram)?
Ingram's apg is up and tov down in the same month as well. He's not forcing as much either. Which is what we want to see - growth.
Now this shows me he's not a 40mil max player, which I think is all of our biggest fear.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:48 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Yeah, I would even put Zion above SGA.
You still drunk from last?
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