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re: How much of a joke is it that Star Wars was ever thought to be equal to Lord of the Rings?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:50 am to iwyLSUiwy
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would say Batman Begins had more of an impact on Iron Man/MCU than any other movie. Iron Man was clearly modeled after BB more than any other film with the in depth origin story and gritty nature. Iron Man was the grittiest movie in the MCU, because he played off of the success of the nature of BB.
+1 BB inspired a lot of films. Casino Royale and Rob Zombie's Halloween films are just some examples.
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:56 am to iwyLSUiwy
I never considered Iron Man as dark and gritty.
Tobally, the BB is obviously literally darker.
But also there is the attempt to sorta ground BB in grittier reality. Obviously it’s still fanciful, but he’s his equipment is supposed to be functional and somewhat realistic.
Iron Man is obviously a brighter movie (outside the early gave scenes) The technology and powers are clearly less grounded in reality.
I think Iron Man is intentionally more humorous. It the blueprint for the MCU.
Tobally, the BB is obviously literally darker.
But also there is the attempt to sorta ground BB in grittier reality. Obviously it’s still fanciful, but he’s his equipment is supposed to be functional and somewhat realistic.
Iron Man is obviously a brighter movie (outside the early gave scenes) The technology and powers are clearly less grounded in reality.
I think Iron Man is intentionally more humorous. It the blueprint for the MCU.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:59 am to SammyTiger
The first iron man was before Disney took over. It definitely had some scenes that wouldn't have happened under Disney back then. Like having strippers in his private plane.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 10:00 am to RLDSC FAN
that’s fair but is that dark and gritty?
idk.
idk.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 10:16 am to OMLandshark
The only difference in the two now is Peter Jackson hasn’t gone back to “correct” the original releases like Spielberg and Lucas did with their movies.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 10:26 am to DMagic
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The only difference in the two now is Peter Jackson hasn’t gone back to “correct” the original releases like Spielberg and Lucas did with their movies.
my wife and i p it on A New Hope and cgi Janna came out and my wife had no idea what was going on.
She just kept saying it looks so bad
Posted on 5/7/24 at 12:39 pm to prplhze2000
Wrong. LotR is literally an empire which broke Academy Award records. Star Wars is not.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:46 pm to SammyTiger
quote:this is valid. But we weren't discussing the books originally, just the movie trilogies.quote:
Lord of the Rings is also a cultural phenomena. If you just say the movies, then obviously Star Wars is more influential, but when you add in the entire universe including novels, then it’s a debate. Led Zeppelin wrote a shite ton of songs referencing Lord of the Rings.
definitely a different conversation when you talk about the impact of the books as well.
If you go to include the books, then clearly LOTR is more influential. References in songs, "Frodo lives" graffiti on walls in the 60's, etc. Lots of copying, both in literature and obviously games (D&D).
Star Wars, for all the EU that was built (and also including comic strips, comic books etc), had more of a visual impact. Other movies, TV series, video games- I remember wasting quarters in plenty of Star Wars-inspired games. There was one that was an X Wing shooting TIE fighters, although it wasn't licensed. There was a Tail Gunner scene that evoked the escape from the Death Star with Luke and Han manning the guns. When I played Beserk, I was visualizing Han running through the Death Star halls, shooting at stormtroopers. People who weren't around then just don't realize what an impact this had on society.
And of course, the toys.
I guess one way to illustrate it, the movie The Indian in the Cupboard. A kid has a cupboard that if he placed toys in it, they'd come to life. One of his friends put a bunch of action toys in, with Robocop, a T Rex from Jurassic Park, an army man, a couple of ST TNG characters, and Darth Vader. The movie was made in 1995, so before the prequel trilogy, and 12 yr after Jedi. And the kid is maybe 12.
I bought a pack of LOTR action figures (all the Fellowship) when FOTR came out, mainly to have it put aside, because the SW figures were so in demand. Those LOTR figures never gained value. In contrast, I probably could have made thousands on the Star Wars toys, if I'd have kept them.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:02 pm to OMLandshark
quote:bullshite.
There’s no Iron Man/MCU without Lord of the Rings.
James Bond, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Star Trek… shite, you can go back to the 30’s with Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes, Frankenstein… ongoing series have been a part of film since the start.
Superman and Superman II were filmed at the same time, for Christ’s sake. Film franchises and Superhero franchises were old hat by the time LOTR and the MCU came to be.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:14 am to OMLandshark
As someone in their late 30s that didn't watch either original trilogy until around covid I think I have a pretty unbiased opinion. Watched Star Wars first the the LOTR.
I hated Star Wars. I guess having zero nostalgia with it made it miss the mark for me. I wanted to like it but it was like pulling teeth to finish it.
I loved LOTR. I was instantly hooked and finished all 3 movies in one day. Have watched each movie again several times since.
Maybe having a basic understand of how Star Wars ended killed the suspense for me. I had zero idea of what LOTR was even about.
I hated Star Wars. I guess having zero nostalgia with it made it miss the mark for me. I wanted to like it but it was like pulling teeth to finish it.
I loved LOTR. I was instantly hooked and finished all 3 movies in one day. Have watched each movie again several times since.
Maybe having a basic understand of how Star Wars ended killed the suspense for me. I had zero idea of what LOTR was even about.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:41 am to OMLandshark
Pre-Disney (even with the prequels), it certainly had a brand cachet that was comparable to LOTR.
Amazon isn't nearly as far along in its destruction program as Disney is, so today I would agree with your broader point.
Star Wars is dead. LOTR has only been wounded.
Amazon isn't nearly as far along in its destruction program as Disney is, so today I would agree with your broader point.
Star Wars is dead. LOTR has only been wounded.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:54 am to Ace Midnight
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Star Wars is dead. LOTR has only been wounded.
I’d rather go with the dead franchise and get Andor season 2 than the wounded one with 4 more seasons of Rings of Power.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:59 am to BamaSaint
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OMLandshark Nobody missed you besides the poli board
I’m glad to have him back
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:04 am to BigNastyTiger417
Star Wars is the second highest grossing movie franchise of all time and is the reason why sequel movies in general exist today
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:28 am to OMLandshark
Alright look, there's only one "Return", okay, and it ain't of the King. It's of the Jedi.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:30 am to Ace Midnight
The Hobbit movies are just as bad as the prequels sometimes even more so. Just like the prequels there are scenes that are awesome but the crap far outweighs the good.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:49 am to DMagic
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The Hobbit movies are just as bad as the prequels sometimes even more so. Just like the prequels there are scenes that are awesome but the crap far outweighs the good.
Well at least with the Hobbit, Jackson got the scenes that he needed to get right. Jackson is the only thing that kept those films from falling apart entirely. Had he been given the creative freedom and time as he had with LotR, I think it would have been great.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:22 am to OMLandshark
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Had he been given the creative freedom
This doesn't make sense. The creative freedom is what led to 3 movies. All he had to do was follow the source material. Simple.
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time as he had with LotR
Don't believe this, either. He was penned for this project a long time before filming. Once again, if he had time for three movies....
I don't want to hear about studio involvement. He had enough cache to either demand what he wanted or just walk away.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:57 am to RebelTheBear
quote:Again, neither SW or LOTR invented the sequel or the franchise.
Star Wars is the second highest grossing movie franchise of all time and is the reason why sequel movies in general exist today
Birth of a Nation had a sequel. You had sequels before color film. Before sound film.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:15 am to LSUPERMAN
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This doesn't make sense. The creative freedom is what led to 3 movies. All he had to do was follow the source material. Simple.
No that’s not what led to three movies. It was corporate greed that led to it. All of these studios all had rights to Tolkien’s world, and they wanted the Hobbit to be as long as possible to milk that cow dry.
Jackson openly said that there really isn’t enough material for three films. His target was two where initially the first film ended with them meeting Bard and the second film starts in Laketown. The Battle of Five Armies is nowhere near as rich as Helm’s Deep or the Battle of Pelennor Fields and probably should have been 20 minutes.
Additionally if you want to know why almost all the orcs and goblins are digital, it’s because Jackson didn’t have enough time to create the masks, weapons, and armor for them. Jackson would have absolutely delayed the film to get this if he could, but he was told no. Like in Lord of the Rings it took three days to make a suit of armor and chainmail with no overlap, and then you realize they had to make like 800 of them. They literally had over five million bits of chainmail and the people putting them together lost their fricking fingerprints. Nothing like this was done in the Hobbit because they weren’t given the time:
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Don't believe this, either. He was penned for this project a long time before filming. Once again, if he had time for three movies....
I don't want to hear about studio involvement. He had enough cache to either demand what he wanted or just walk away.
It’s extremely clear that you have no idea what the frick you’re talking about when it comes to these films. Initially Jackson wasn't associated with the project really much at all given he was in a lawsuit with New Line Cinema over earnings and New Line swore that Jackson would never direct another film for them again (ie: The Hobbit). So they brought in Guillermo Del Toro instead after his magnum opus Pan’s Labyrinth, but did allow Jackson to stay on as an executive producer and a consultant.
The writing for the Hobbit began in 2008 but Del Toro let the project in 2010. This was largely due to MGM (which officially had the rights to The Hobbit) not having the funding to get this done from their end. It wasn’t until October of 2010 that Jackson was finally brought on to direct the two films and they began shooting in March of the next year. That’s effectively six months of preparation Jackson had to do. As he put it:
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Because Guillermo del Toro had to leave and I jumped in and took over, we didn't wind the clock back a year and a half and give me a year and a half prep to design the movie, which was different to what he was doing. It was impossible, and as a result of it being impossible I just started shooting the movie with most of it not prepped at all. You're going on to a set and you're winging it, you've got these massively complicated scenes, no storyboards and you're making it up there and then on the spot."
Then nearly a year and a half later the studios announced that it was not going to be two films but three, and he had to shoot more bullshite action scenes a few months later to make the movie longer than it should have been.
So no, Peter Jackson pretty much had little to do with its failures. He openly admits to really focusing in on the scenes that he had to get right like the Unexpected Party, the cave trolls, Riddles in the Dark, the Mirkwood Spiders, Bilbo meeting Smaug, Smaug’s death, and Thorin’s death and winged the rest of it.
Peter had three and a half years of preproduction for Lord of the Rings, and had six months this time and everyone was working their dicks off during the actual filming to get as much out as they could. So no, it’s 100% the studios fault that it was not as good as it should have been. Here’s Jackson admitting to it: YouTube
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