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re: True or False: As prospects, Penix is better than all of the following
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Works better when the trade is on draft day.
Otherwise, you eat the entirety of the signing bonus as part of any trade.
Otherwise, you eat the entirety of the signing bonus as part of any trade.
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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slow as frick, throwing motion.
Besides your professional opinion, do you have a link to data that supports this claim? I can’t find anything other than a lot of people saying he has a quick release and that when you flip the video to show him throwing righty it looks a lot more “normal.”
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:27 pm to Jon Ham
All of them were better except Daniel Jones. Just ask yourself this question.If you put all of those guys in a draft when they were prospects, how many of them would have been considered reaches with the eighth overall pick?
Murray, Mayfield, Wilson, Trubisky, Wentz, and Darnold were consensus top prospects. Trey Lance was a controversial pick but he was considered to be a high upside guy with immense physical tools much like Drake Maye. Jones is the only guy where picking him at 8 would have garnered a ton of criticism.
Murray, Mayfield, Wilson, Trubisky, Wentz, and Darnold were consensus top prospects. Trey Lance was a controversial pick but he was considered to be a high upside guy with immense physical tools much like Drake Maye. Jones is the only guy where picking him at 8 would have garnered a ton of criticism.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:32 pm to Jon Ham
quote:Murray and mayfield are both light years ahead of penix athletically. Murray seven more so than mayfield
Penix was a better passer than Murray and Murray isn’t that better athletically to make up for that. Projecting to the pros, Penix is taller than Mayfield, a better passer, and just as athletic.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Or a valuable commodity. That they can flip. They drafted best available and now have poker chips just like Favre with Atlanta.... In a desperate QB league, they get more this time around.... Favre was basically a nobody.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:51 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Penix is the most accurate downfield passer I’ve ever seen in college, ever. And I’m not exaggerating. Texas had good coverage on a lot of those big plays and it didn’t matter. And the designed QB draws were daggers. [E]very time Texas thought they were figuring out how to stop Washington, Penix would rip off a 10-plus yard run for a first down.”
This was a terrible take when it was made and still is.
That guys opinion has as much weight as mine does
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[and] throws the best deep ball I’ve evaluated in 30 years,” one high-level NFL personnel man said. “I saw Penix in the wind last year at a practice and was astounded at how accurate he was on the seams, overs and deep balls.
Literally Burrow and Stroud threw better deep balls while in college, so again, this doesn't make it "true"because some unnamed source said so
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:15 pm to Jon Ham
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Penix is better than
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2 Zach Wilson
2 Mitchell Trubisky
2 Carson Wentz
3 Trey Lance
3 Sam Darnold
6 Daniel Jones
All of these.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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That they can flip
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:28 pm to Jon Ham
As a prospect, I liked all of those guys better than I like Penix
Obviously some of them did not work out, but yeah. Penix is a major injury risk, has poor accuracy, little to no mobility, lacks touch (it's just all rockets with him), and reacts very negatively to pressure. He played behind the best OL in America with two top 50 draft picks at WR.
He might work out, I'm not saying he won't, but as a prospect he is a 2nd round evaluation. All of those other guys you listed were mostly-consensus top 10 picks for a reason.
Obviously some of them did not work out, but yeah. Penix is a major injury risk, has poor accuracy, little to no mobility, lacks touch (it's just all rockets with him), and reacts very negatively to pressure. He played behind the best OL in America with two top 50 draft picks at WR.
He might work out, I'm not saying he won't, but as a prospect he is a 2nd round evaluation. All of those other guys you listed were mostly-consensus top 10 picks for a reason.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:31 pm to Jon Ham
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Penix runs a sub 4.6 40 and is plenty good at extending plays with his feet.
You’ve never seen Michael Penix play football before.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:47 pm to Rand AlThor
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Penix is a major injury risk
He did just complete two full seasons without significant injury…
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has poor accuracy, little to no mobility, lacks touch (it's just all rockets with him), and reacts very negatively to pressure.
Penix Highlights
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As a prospect, I liked all of those guys better than I like Penix
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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hey drafted best available and now have poker chips just like Favre with Atlanta.... In a desperate QB league, they get more this time around.... Favre was basically a nobody.
Even assuming the premise of Favre being a “nobody,” in that instance the Falcons turned the 33rd pick into the 17th pick the next year.
Now they’ll turn the 8th into 2 seconds and call that a win?
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 3:55 pm to Jon Ham
False
I think he’s better than Wilson, Mitch, Lance, and Jones though.
I think he’s better than Wilson, Mitch, Lance, and Jones though.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 4:10 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
Darnold > Penix???
Ain’t no way.
Ain’t no way.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 4:58 pm to Jon Ham
Darnold as a prospect was a lot better than Penix as a prospect.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 5:19 pm to Jon Ham
I think what people are saying is you have to look at it going into the draft. Every guy except Danny Dimes was probably projected to be a better pro. All of that said, if he is any good at all, he should have a better career than everybody except maybe Kyler and Baker. And if he's really good, he'll be better than all of them.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 5:29 pm to Bunk Moreland
Even if you LOVE Penix, the whole decision making process is beyond stupid.
You’re pot committed to Cousins for at least 2 seasons. So Penix will be 26 at best before he starts, then he’s 28-29 before you pick up his 5th year option or long term extend him.
His age prohibits the whole sit and wait and develop idea. Take JJ McCarthy if that’s your plan. Or figure out how to not take Penix at 8. Packers took Love at like 26, Eagles took Hurts in the 2nd round. Not 8th
You’re pot committed to Cousins for at least 2 seasons. So Penix will be 26 at best before he starts, then he’s 28-29 before you pick up his 5th year option or long term extend him.
His age prohibits the whole sit and wait and develop idea. Take JJ McCarthy if that’s your plan. Or figure out how to not take Penix at 8. Packers took Love at like 26, Eagles took Hurts in the 2nd round. Not 8th
Posted on 4/27/24 at 5:45 pm to DBG
If you love a QB who is a top 10 pick level talent, you have the opportunity to get him, and your current QB is 35, it makes perfect sense to pick that QB. I mean if you honestly think you’re a Dallas Turner away from winning the Super Bowl then sure take Dallas Turner instead.
We can nit pick the fact Cousins’ has a 3 or 4 year contract and not a 1 or 2 year contract which would be more ideal, we can nit pick that Penix is a couple years older than your typical rookie QB which makes it less ideal, but don’t let “perfect” get in the way of “good.”
We can nit pick the fact Cousins’ has a 3 or 4 year contract and not a 1 or 2 year contract which would be more ideal, we can nit pick that Penix is a couple years older than your typical rookie QB which makes it less ideal, but don’t let “perfect” get in the way of “good.”
Posted on 4/27/24 at 5:49 pm to Jon Ham
Then why sign Cousins a month ago? Did they just turn on Penix film last week?
Posted on 4/27/24 at 5:56 pm to DBG
Cousins give you a better chance to win at least this season and next. There was no guarantee Penix would be there at 8. Letting a rookie QB sit behind a good vet is usually good for the rookie’s development.
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