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True or False: As prospects, Penix is better than all of the following
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:18 pm
Draft Pick # / Name
1 Kyler Murray
1 Baker Mayfield
2 Zach Wilson
2 Mitchell Trubisky
2 Carson Wentz
3 Trey Lance
3 Sam Darnold
6 Daniel Jones
If you say false, who do you think was a better prospect than Penix?
1 Kyler Murray
1 Baker Mayfield
2 Zach Wilson
2 Mitchell Trubisky
2 Carson Wentz
3 Trey Lance
3 Sam Darnold
6 Daniel Jones
If you say false, who do you think was a better prospect than Penix?
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 1:18 pm
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:22 pm to Jon Ham
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1 Kyler Murray
1 Baker Mayfield
These two are definitely better prospects than Penix.
Several of those other ones were clear reaches like Wilson, as they may have been in the top tier of QB prospects but the quality of prospects wasn’t there.
The bigger problem for Atlanta is, simply put, they spent 8th overall on an insurance policy. Same kind of shite people picked on SF for with regards to Lance after blowing picks to trade up for him.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:28 pm to Jon Ham
I dont think the falcons defense should be ‘see other teams have made crappy qb selections early in the draft’
Just a totally indefensible pick after signing cousins.
Just a totally indefensible pick after signing cousins.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:29 pm to teke184
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1 Kyler Murray
1 Baker Mayfield
These two are definitely better prospects than Penix.
Penix was a better passer than Murray and Murray isn’t that better athletically to make up for that.
Projecting to the pros, Penix is taller than Mayfield, a better passer, and just as athletic.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:34 pm to Jon Ham
Murray didn’t have the injury issues of Penix nor was he a six year player, meaning he had more growth potential.
It all still comes down to blowing a high pick on a guy who isn’t helping you for quite a while unless your expensive new signee is completely fricked.
There would have been more value in either finding offensive support for Cousins or one of the best defensive players on the board than doing this.
It all still comes down to blowing a high pick on a guy who isn’t helping you for quite a while unless your expensive new signee is completely fricked.
There would have been more value in either finding offensive support for Cousins or one of the best defensive players on the board than doing this.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:37 pm to Jon Ham
quote:
1 Kyler Murray - False
1 Baker Mayfield - False
2 Zach Wilson - True
2 Mitchell Trubisky - True
2 Carson Wentz - False
3 Trey Lance - False
3 Sam Darnold - True
6 Daniel Jones - True
I still think Lance could have been really good, but losing basically his entire 2020, 2021, and 2022 seasons of playing time really set back his development to the point where he never recovered. No prospect got screwed by the 2020 stupidity more than him.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:43 pm to Jon Ham
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Penix was a better passer than Murray
Debatable
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and Murray isn’t that better athletically to make up for that.
Murray ran for 1000 yards in one season, Penix 265 in 6 years and has 2 bad knees. I don’t have a problem with Penix, it was a stupid pick for Atlanta because they just signed Cousins, but Murray and Mayfield were definitely better prospects
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Murray ran for 1000 yards in one season, Penix 265 in 6 years
We’re talking about how they project to NFL, not how many yards they can pickup on the ground in their college offense against college defenses. Penix runs a sub 4.6 40 and is plenty good at extending plays with his feet. The fact Penix prefers an offense that keeps him in the pocket and prefers to throw over run supports the case he was a better prospect.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:58 pm to Jon Ham
quote:
who do you think was a better prospect than Penix?
quote:
1 Kyler Murray
1 Baker Mayfield
quote:
2 Carson Wentz
quote:
3 Sam Darnold
Posted on 4/27/24 at 1:59 pm to Jon Ham
quote:
We’re talking about how they project to NFL
You said the following don’t try and move the goal posts
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Murray isn’t that better athletically to make up for that.
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The fact Penix prefers an offense that keeps him in the pocket and prefers to throw over run supports the case he was a better prospect.
What hogwash. “Preferring a pocket offense” does not make one a better prospect.
Again I have no problem with Penix, but it was a complete shocker that he was the 4th QB taken. Most had a 2nd round grade on him, maybe because of injuries but being able to play is important. He may turn out to be great but he was not a better “prospect” than guys taken 1 overall.
Just say you like him better, that’s perfectly fine to have as an opinion
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:00 pm to Jon Ham
quote:
The fact Penix prefers an offense that keeps him in the pocket and prefers to throw over run supports the case he was a better prospect.
the fact that Penix panics when his pocket isn't perfectly clean supports the case that he was, in fact, not.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:03 pm to Jon Ham
So….. you think Penix is a better prospect than all of them
That’s great
What’s the point of your thread?
That’s great
What’s the point of your thread?
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:05 pm to Jon Ham
quote:
Penix was a better passer than Murray and Murray isn’t that better athletically to make up for that.
Murray’s athletic ability more than makes up for any perceived passing “gap”.
Penix is a bit of a statue who panics when pressured.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think people went too far the other way criticizing him after the national championship game. He had one or two bad passes IMO and there were one or two more misses forced by good Michigan pressure. After the Sugar Bowl, this is what we were hearing.
Penix v. McCarthy matchup preview.
I think he can be the best QB in this draft. However, it just doesn't make sense (especially given his age) to sit behind Kirk for 2-4 years.
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“With what I just witnessed in person at the Sugar Bowl, Penix is an assassin and has absolute, total command of the offense and incredible poise, nothing fazes him,” one evaluator said. “J.J. McCarthy is a great athlete but not nearly the arm talent Penix has. Penix is the most accurate downfield passer I’ve ever seen in college, ever. And I’m not exaggerating. Texas had good coverage on a lot of those big plays and it didn’t matter. And the designed QB draws were daggers. [E]very time Texas thought they were figuring out how to stop Washington, Penix would rip off a 10-plus yard run for a first down.”
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“I’ve watched Penix for two years — he can really spin it [and] throws the best deep ball I’ve evaluated in 30 years,” one high-level NFL personnel man said. “I saw Penix in the wind last year at a practice and was astounded at how accurate he was on the seams, overs and deep balls. It really grabbed my attention. But the injury history is super scary.”
Penix v. McCarthy matchup preview.
I think he can be the best QB in this draft. However, it just doesn't make sense (especially given his age) to sit behind Kirk for 2-4 years.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:07 pm to Bunk Moreland
Penix's biggest issue is his looping, slow as frick, throwing motion.
This is before his injuries or pocket issues.
People forget how hold he was when he finally blew up, too. And he was being coached by possibly the best HC/OC combo in hte NCAa
This is before his injuries or pocket issues.
People forget how hold he was when he finally blew up, too. And he was being coached by possibly the best HC/OC combo in hte NCAa
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the fact that Penix panics when his pocket isn't perfectly clean supports the case that he was, in fact, not.
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An important stat that has proven to translate to the next level well is pressure-to-sack rate. Penix has the third lowest pressure-to-sack rate (7.6 percent) among qualifying passers. But he doesn’t avoid sacks by escaping pass rushers like Anthony Richardson, who also had a low pressure-to-sack rate last season. Penix avoids sacks by quickly getting rid of the ball, which is a double-edged sword.
LINK
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:10 pm to teke184
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they spent 8th overall on an insurance policy
Or a valuable commodity. That they can flip. They drafted best available and now have poker chips just like Favre with Atlanta.... In a desperate QB league, they get more this time around.... Favre was basically a nobody.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
All good points. Having the best receiving corps in the country helped, too. But, that is a chicken and egg thing. Did Odunze/Polk/McMillan/Westover/etc. make Penix great or did he make them great?
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:13 pm to Bunk Moreland
The biggest thing about Penix and when the pick was made is his injury factor….
Posted on 4/27/24 at 2:17 pm to Jon Ham
I like Penix, but as a draft prospect, he is/was no better than anyone on the list other Trubisky and Jones and maybe Zach Wilson.
Penix is Hendon Hooker. I think Hooker has a better shot at long term NFL success, but I would not have utilized a top 10 pick on either of them.
Penix is Hendon Hooker. I think Hooker has a better shot at long term NFL success, but I would not have utilized a top 10 pick on either of them.
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