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The expanded 12-team College Football Playoff is here — and it already has problems.

Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:01 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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53635 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:01 am
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Inside the College Football Playoff meeting room, at a resort hotel in the posh community of Las Colinas, the industry’s most powerful leaders played a game: a bracket game.

Gathered around a table, the FBS commissioners and Notre Dame’s athletic director projected a 12-team playoff bracket by applying the 2022 rankings. Eight months away from a historic 2024 CFP selection day — the inaugural expanded playoff — the bracketing exercise commenced as a way to show executives the matchups, trends and perhaps even issues (we’ll get to that later) produced with a new format.

A couple hours later, a handful of reporters were ushered into the room to do the same, sitting in the exact chairs in which commissioners previously resided as outgoing CFP director Bill Hancock guided the room through the process. In front of us, a projection screen flickered to life with a bracket: a 2022 12-team playoff based on the rankings that year and considering realignment moves.

First-round matchups — at on-campus sites of the better seed — included No. 8 seed Tennessee hosting No. 9 Kansas State, No. 12 seed Tulane at No. 5 TCU, No. 10 Southern Cal at No. 7 Alabama and … No. 11 Penn State at No. 6 Ohio State.

The latter is a rematch.

That’s Problem No. 1: As it stands now, there is no CFP protocol on avoiding first-round rematches.

But before we get into details of all of the problems with a 5+7 12-team playoff format, let’s go over some ground rules about a format that can be a bit confusing.

- Rule 1: The format. The five highest-ranked conference champions earn automatic qualifying spots into the field. This will normally include a Big Ten, SEC, Big 12, ACC and a Group of Five representative (it’s unlikely a second G5 champion would leap a P4 champion in the rankings). The highest-ranked four champions — this is important — earn the top four seeds and first-round byes. At-large spots are designated for the next seven highest-ranked teams.

- Rule 2: The rankings. These are still made by the CFP selection committee, and they will NOT necessarily align with the seeding since seeds Nos. 1-4 are reserved only for conference champions. There are plenty of examples of a conference champion being ranked lower than another conference’s second-place finisher (we get to that later).

- Rule 3: The New Year’s Six bowls host the quarterfinals and semifinals after the four first-round, on-campus games. Teams are paired with bowls in two ways: (1) traditional relationships and (2) geography.

Enough rules, let’s get to the complaints — chief among them is that no protocol exists for selection members to avoid rematches in the first round. This is a simple, solvable problem. Like the NCAA basketball tournament selection, the CFP could implement a protocol requiring first-round games to feature two teams from separate conferences when possible. With such a small field (12) and conferences steadily expanding, there may be times where it is not possible.

But for the most part, it is. Such a protocol is necessary because modeling shows that this format, combined with realignment moves, produces a lot of rematches. An entire conference dissolved, the Big 12 and SEC swelled to 16 teams and the ACC and Big Ten grew to 18.

While considering realignment, there would have been seven first-round, conference-vs.-conference rematches over the 10 years of the CFP — far too many.

Even commissioners acknowledged as much after their bracketing exercise.

“A lot of rematches,” SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said.

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423363 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:03 am to
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Enough rules, let’s get to the complaints — chief among them is that no protocol exists for selection members to avoid rematches in the first round. This is a simple, solvable problem. Like the NCAA basketball tournament selection, the CFP could implement a protocol requiring first-round games to feature two teams from separate conferences when possible.

Our system is so shitty, we have to make up illogical rules to justify its existence.

Brilliant

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While considering realignment, there would have been seven first-round, conference-vs.-conference rematches over the 10 years of the CFP — far too many.

Even commissioners acknowledged as much after their bracketing exercise.

“A lot of rematches,” SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said.

If only someone had predicted this in a blog post

...in 2006
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 9:04 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53635 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:05 am to
I can't wait to see UGA and Bama play three times in a season.
Posted by LSURep864
Moscow, Idaho
Member since Nov 2007
10920 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:05 am to
I mean no shite.

The NFL very often has teams playing for a 3rd time in the playoffs.

You wanted something closer to an NFL model now you have it.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35429 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:07 am to
Teams playing potentially 4 neutral site games in the row is a bigger problem. You're going to have a lot of empty quarterfinal and semifinal games no matter the matchups.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
5151 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:08 am to
Why are we acting like rematches in the first round are a bad thing?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53635 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:08 am to
My guess is fans will travel to something like the Rose Bowl for a NYD quarterfinal. Nobody will travel to the semis. It's all a TV show, anyway, I guess.
Posted by cattus
Member since Jan 2009
13459 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:15 am to
It really bothers me that now that CFB is consolidating the conferences when it finally getting an actual playoff. Anyone could see the problems this can cause matching teams a mile away.

As long as a "committee" is involved in the process the potential for f ups and corruption will be there.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
71355 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:19 am to
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The NFL very often has teams playing for a 3rd time in the playoffs.

You wanted something closer to an NFL model now you have it.


I don't think people wanted the NFL model.

They were just tired of undefeated teams being locked out, split titles, and mulligans.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37401 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:25 am to
How could they not see this coming?
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
64129 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:25 am to
All this is bullshite.

Take the 4 conf champions, seed them 1-4 based on their resume.

Take the 8 other teams and seed them based on their resume.

Put them in a bracket and let them go. Rematches and traditional relationships should not matter one bit.

I can understand geography, but for that, you can take each round of 8 game and have the two teams with the least combined distance to that bowl game play there.

Nothing else should matter.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
4393 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:28 am to
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Why are we acting like rematches in the first round are a bad thing?
Because every game in the regular season used to be life or death. Now it's not a big deal to lose a big conference game.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
12751 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:30 am to
I mean, rematches in the championship game (LSU vs Bama) is what started this whole playoff to begin with. Then we ended up with rematches in title games (UGA vs Bama). Sometimes it is just going to happen. With conferences going to 16 teams and still having title games, your top 2 in the conference are likely to both get in an expanded playoff, and may have to play each other again.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42974 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:30 am to
that's funny since Bama LSU rematch is what ended the old BCS

with extra playoff games and to avoid not only rematches but possibly three games against same opponent, they need to do away with conference title games
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 9:43 am
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
5151 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:32 am to
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Now it's not a big deal to lose a big conference game.


Yeah, that’s fine. Similar to NFL. It doesn’t matter if you go undefeated in regular season, you need to go undefeated in the playoffs. There will never be a debate about who the best team is.

Championships aren’t won in September or October
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32658 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:42 am to
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Enough rules, let’s get to the complaints — chief among them is that no protocol exists for selection members to avoid rematches in the first round. This is a simple, solvable problem. Like the NCAA basketball tournament selection, the CFP could implement a protocol requiring first-round games to feature two teams from separate conferences when possible. With such a small field (12) and conferences steadily expanding, there may be times where it is not possible.

But for the most part, it is. Such a protocol is necessary because modeling shows that this format, combined with realignment moves, produces a lot of rematches. An entire conference dissolved, the Big 12 and SEC swelled to 16 teams and the ACC and Big Ten grew to 18.

While considering realignment, there would have been seven first-round, conference-vs.-conference rematches over the 10 years of the CFP — far too many.

Even commissioners acknowledged as much after their bracketing exercise.

“A lot of rematches,” SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said.

The rankings are created by the committee, they could essentially just rank the teams in a manner in which they would avoid re-matches
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:43 am to
Then:

"The regular season will STILL matter! You guys are just making a mountain out of a molehill."

Now:

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Why are we acting like rematches in the first round are a bad thing?

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59129 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:47 am to
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I can't wait to see UGA and Bama play three times in a season.


Even better will be the Ohio St Michigan rematch in back to back weeks an e these morons insist on keeping CCG AND eliminating divisions
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28459 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:54 am to
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The latter is a rematch.

That’s Problem No. 1: As it stands now, there is no CFP protocol on avoiding first-round rematches.


This is the biggest gripe?

There are often first round rematches in every sport. Hell, it's not that uncommon to see two divisional teams play a game in week 18 of the NFL then turn around and play again in the first round of the playoffs.

When you have only a 12 team playoff and the majority of the teams will be from the same conferences (SEC and Big 10) rematches are inevitable.

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Enough rules, let’s get to the complaints — chief among them is that no protocol exists for selection members to avoid rematches in the first round. This is a simple, solvable problem. Like the NCAA basketball tournament selection, the CFP could implement a protocol requiring first-round games to feature two teams from separate conferences when possible. With such a small field (12) and conferences steadily expanding, there may be times where it is not possible.


First round rematches (though not intra-conference) happen in the NCAAT too. But it's easy to implement a rule against intraconference games in a tournament with 68 teams.

Even in this bozo's dissertation bitching about rematches there is only one of four first round games that is a rematch.
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
9738 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:04 am to
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That’s Problem No. 1: As it stands now, there is no CFP protocol on avoiding first-round rematches.


If that’s the way it ends up, who cares if it’s a rematch?
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