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Hitting coaches in the 1990s were just on another level than they are today...

Posted on 4/4/23 at 5:21 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 5:21 am
Just look at the before and after effects of one of the most prolific hitters from that era:

Posted by SeaBass23
VA
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 7:43 am to
I used to love when players would report to spring training and the media would say they started lifting which was code for they just started juicing. Ron Gant and Brady Anderson were the first obvious ones that emerged.
Posted by Earnest_P
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:02 am to
Take Ron Gants name out your mouth.

No way he juiced.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:06 am to
The size of baseball players today should stand out. The pitchers are all throwing 100. The home run leader last season hit 62. They are juiced.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:10 am to
Ron Gant definitely picked up some size along the way.

Here is a video from his rookie season (1988).


Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:48 am to
I still think many of them are on EPO or other forms of endurance level PEDs.

They're just not on the old school Testosterone, Deca, type of mass anabolics.
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:51 am to
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The size of baseball players today should stand out. The pitchers are all throwing 100. The home run leader last season hit 62. They are juiced.


To be fair, we’ve been asking if baseball is dying…

Just like the steroid era came after the 1994 strike
Posted by Earnest_P
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:17 am to
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The home run leader last season hit 62


Post the before and after Judge pics.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:22 am to
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To be fair, we’ve been asking if baseball is dying…

Just like the steroid era came after the 1994 strike



College basketball, before the shot clock, was a terrible product. Add Dean's 4 corner offense and they were just playing keep away. The NBA changed a ton of rules for the sake of the game. College football went to the continuous running 40-second clock that made the HUNH offenses possible. The NFL changed its official time clocks as well.

Baseball, finally, joined the club. They are the last sport to realize that unless you help the games with rule changes nothing will change and often gets worse as a product.

Baseball just saved itself with its version of the shot clock/continuous running clock and other rule changes. And PEDs had nothing to do with it. As I stated before, PEDs have been around forever. HGH testing is light years behind masking and always will be.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:24 am to
Although Aaron Judge was robbed of a season in his prime by the Pandemic, he has had injury issues for much of his career like other steroid users. He missed 58 games in 2018 and 60 in 2019, and only played 28 in the Covid-shortened season of 2020.

He is also a gigantic human being.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:30 am to
Baseball in the 1990s is like track and field in the same era (especially long distance running) or the throwing events of the 80s.

Few are truly clean, but the level of doping is much less egregious now.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:33 am to
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we’ve been asking if baseball is dying…


The game is as healthy today as it's ever been.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:40 am to
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Baseball in the 1990s is like track and field in the same era (especially long distance running) or the throwing events of the 80s.


Baseball, unlike track and field or football, and basketball, didn't test. They were begging players to test the limits of chemical warfare and they did.

Today baseball players are more cautious about the size they carry. So are football players. Myles Garrett said he wore long sleeves under his pads to keep from getting tested.

With HGH you don't lose muscle, you lose body fat, almost entirely, if you take enough. With street clothes on or uniforms, they don't look as intimidating as the old anabolic steroid users who were carrying so much water retention in huge muscles. That was Sosa and Bonds. But when these guys take their shirts off they look like one of the gladiators in 300.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:51 am to
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Brady Anderson


Hard to believe that he and Chris Davis both hit over 50 HR in a season and both did it in Baltimore.

I feel if they played for a larger market team you would have heard about it more back when it happened.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11464 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:18 pm to
Not every player bulked up and added power by using steroids. Tony Gwynn did it the old fashioned way.

1980’s


1990’s
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:34 pm to
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still think many of them are on EPO or other forms of endurance level PEDs.


How would EPO help a baseball player? Is it a recovery thing? Doesn’t seem like it would help directly with performance
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:37 pm to
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Not every player bulked up and added power by using steroids. Tony Gwynn did it the old fashioned way.


The determining factor would be the speed of the bat. Some guys put on a lot of weight and increased bat speed. That's not humanly possible without chemical help. Bryson DeChambeau put on 25 LBS in 4 months and started swinging the club faster than at any time in his life. Not without chemical help and it wasn't those shakes he was promoting.

Here's the thing about PEDs. You don't have to lift weights to increase in size, speed, and power. You can just take the stuff and you are better. You can also moderately work out with weights and take PEDs and be twice the player you were. You still look like a normal human being. But, without a doubt, the more you work out and take PEDs, the more pronounced your physical advantage.
Posted by Jamohn
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:09 pm to
I remember Ron Gant featured in the SI '98 baseball preview issue. Used to be one of my favorites every year. The headline was A FAREWELL TO SKINNY ARMS and had a full spread of him flexing.



This was the cover:

Great times
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
26635 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:11 pm to
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Not every player bulked up and added power by using steroids. Tony Gwynn did it the old fashioned way.


Mr. Padre did hit more dingers at the end of his career than the beginning . . . hmmmm . . .
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
26635 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 2:12 pm to
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Here's the thing about PEDs. You don't have to lift weights to increase in size, speed, and power. You can just take the stuff and you are better


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