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Posted on 5/8/24 at 4:42 am
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 4:42 am
I currently own 4 acres of undeveloped property in Livingston parish near the border of Ascension parish. Property is mostly cypress swamp with a Marathon pipeline crossing it and is road accessible. I recently received an offer of $51K for the land from a Texas based land company ( had no intention of selling before this offer came out the blue). Should I sit and wait or take the money and run? I’m trying to put the puzzle pieces together because I’m thinking (at least hoping) Marathon wants this land for future use and it could possibly be worth a lot more than the current offer. Any advice is appreciated and thanks for reading.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:12 am to
Don't let the attraction of unexpected cash feed any FOMO. If you know any of the owners of adjacent properties, talk with them to see if they have had offers or know what the purchase attempt may be about (is another line being run? Substation? Horton trying to develop a neighborhood?).

To just show up waving $12.75k/acre as an initial offer for land which is mostly cypress swamp seems like it would be a bit uncommon.

Time is on your side. If they want it badly enough (especially if they've already bought neighboring plots), they'll be back.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:47 am to
Are there any comps on what the land is actually worth? My experience is that unsolicited offers are rarely ever in line with the market value.

I don't know the land value in Louisiana especially cypress swamp. It doesn't sound appealing to someone looking to build, but I also am not the expert on developing that type of property.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15522 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:54 am to
quote:

Should I sit and wait or take the money and run? I’m trying to put the puzzle pieces together because I’m thinking (at least hoping) Marathon wants this land for future use and it could possibly be worth a lot more than the current offer.
so Marathon already has an easement for their pipeline?


quote:

Property is mostly cypress swamp
So how much of the acreage is actually usable? I looked at the flood map of the area and there’s not much that isn’t in it.

I handle most of the land sales in my office, because frankly most realtors HATE dealing with land, mostly because they don’t understand it. There is probably different than here given how much residential construction I see built already that’s in a flood zone, but here it’s much harder to sell here because of increased costs to develop.

So I tell clients, if it’s in a flood zone I wouldn’t buy it, if someone else wants yours that is? SELL
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1327 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:14 am to
Bard is absolutely correct when he replied that they will be back. Find out why these people want to purchase the property.

I think that you will get plenty of sound advise at that point.
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:50 am to
I agree
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:53 am to
Yes, actually 2 pipes underground now and Marathon purchased another 25’ right away about 6 or 7 years ago but have only surveyed so far with no tree removal yet.
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:01 am to
It’s definitely all in a flood zone, in 2016 the entire 4 acres was flooded. I will ask the other land owners if they’ve received an offer, most if not all around live on their property, mine is vacant and only used for duck and deer hunting occasionally. I don’t know what cypress lumber is priced at or what the future holds but this could be an angle the land company sees?
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:30 am to
I’d like to thank all who replied and informed, and the two downvoters can meet me at the St Francisville Sonic today at 11am. Hope to see you there!
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35397 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:07 am to
I'm not a land aficionado but I am a Scooby Doo aficionado and I feel like I need to warn you to be on the lookout for these guys coming back and making you feel like your land is haunted if you turn them down.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 10:08 am
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
1720 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:16 am to
Hahaha, it is haunted!
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1327 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:11 am to
Many property owners wind up selling for an offer far less than market value becasuse they have no way to know if he offer to sell individual land, minerals rights, and pipeline servitudes is fair. They know we aren't sure abut the value.

They also know that we just want to take the easiest path to get the property sold and move on. They will take advantage of this by making a below market offer and tell us it is a "fair price", "generous offer", or even "haunted."
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
880 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:16 am to
If a complete stranger or a company from Texas that was previously unknown to you just randomly showed up asking to buy your land that wasn’t even for sale, you can bet that they know something about the future use of your land that you don’t yet know.
This kind of stuff happened all over DeSoto parish a year or so before the Haynesville shale drilling broke loose.
Posted by bricksandstones
Member since Nov 2015
1596 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 1:34 pm to
If you are really trying to do some research, you could look at the Parish Tax Assessor's website. There is usually a map feature, and you can pull reports on nearby parcels, which will usually give you a recent transaction history. Go from there to looking at deeds and you will likely be able to determine the purchase prices for land being sold in that area.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

If a complete stranger or a company from Texas that was previously unknown to you just randomly showed up asking to buy your land that wasn’t even for sale, you can bet that they know something about the future use of your land that you don’t yet know.
This kind of stuff happened all over DeSoto parish a year or so before the Haynesville shale drilling broke loose.


That's the first thing my mind went to. The description of events screamed of a recently discovered oil or gas field (with the price of NG though, I can't see anyone paying 12k/acre unless it's ridiculously easy to get to). My next response was going to be to ask about signing over just surface rights but maintaining mineral rights and see how the company reacts.
Posted by 7flat
Member since Aug 2004
284 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:18 pm to
Check the letter. Does it give them a due diligence period or contingencies? My guess is they got your info from the assessor and offered you based on a percentage of market value without checking for floodplain, wetlands, or pipelines. I bet there’s a clause that gives them an out in the due diligence period when they realize all that.
Posted by Koolazzkat
Behind the Tupelo gum tree
Member since May 2021
1720 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 5:01 am to
That’s exactly what a realtor told me. She said they’ll never pay what they offered.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15522 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:13 am to
quote:

That’s exactly what a realtor told me. She said they’ll never pay what they offered.
Probably correct, however you have 4 acres of pretty much useless land.

What do you lose to try?
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 6:13 am
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1327 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 5:13 pm to
Good point. I checked my files relating to two parcels of grazing land in Western Calcasieu Parish. In 2014 our family received an unsolicited offer from a company in Alexandria, LA. We learned "--------has completed its inspection/due diligence at each of the properties under contract. -----is satisfied with the inspection and intends on closing as soon as the title work and any curative work is complete. IT WAS SOLD WITH NO PROBLEMS IN SHORT ORDER.

As to the 160 acre tract in the ---area, ----is not able to utilize the property for its intended use. Accordingly ---terminates the agreement.

IT WAS SOLD A FEW MONTHS LATER TO A LOCAL CATTLEMAN.

In an unrelated matter, about two years later, the owners received yet another unsolicited offer from an investment group from California for some industrial property near Sulphur, LA which seemingly was ridiculously above market value. It escalated to owner groups of sellers and non-sellers from Virginia to Arizona and points in between including an e-patriot in Switzerland. In reading the fine print we (23 owners with undivided interests) learned from an intellectual cousin that their offer excluded the areas that were determined to be wetlands. He additionally was able to hold off an owner meeting at a centralized Sonic location yet to be determined. A Family Group LLC was formed to avoid these kinds of disagreements.

LOOK FOR THE CLAUSE.
Posted by Ccssp1
Member since Mar 2024
54 posts
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:44 pm to
Why not counter their offer with one of your own? Go at them with 115k. See what their counter to that is. They may really want the land for an unknown reason, but it sounds like there is really no competitor to drive the bidding either. Might want to take an easy profit and put it into non swampland elsewhere.
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