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Starting quarterback comparison - Jordan Travis vs Jayden Daniels - who has the edge

Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:49 pm
Posted by paper tiger
acadiana
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:49 pm
This is an attempt by an amateur lsu fan to predict who has the edge at quarterback in the Fla State-LSU game as football experts outside of La might see it. I’m no expert for sure, so if you want an expert opinion, feel free to stop reading here. Going into the Texas - LSU game a few years ago, its worth noting virtually every expert had Sam Ehlinger better than Joe Burrow, so predicting how a kid evolves at the qb position year over year is no science for sure.

We can start with the head to head data from last years Fla Sate/LSU game, but it doesnt help answer the question of who had the best qb. Travis was the better passer, 20-33 for 260 yds with 2 tds. Daniels was 25-34 for 209 yds with 2 tds. Daniels was the much better runner, with 16 carries for 114 yds. Travis was 8 carries for 31 yds, but he got 23 on one of those carries and only 8 yds on the 7 other carries. Daniels had more total yards. Travis got the more important win.

These stats from the first game foreshadowed their season stats to a certain extent. Travis threw for 3214 yds with a 64% completion average and a 160 qb rating. Daniels threw for 2913 yds with a 68% completion average for a 144 qb rating. The passing stats are closer than the ratings make them look, I suppose the fact that Travis averaged a yd and a half more per completion has him ranked so much higher? I was surprised to see Daniel’s completed 68% of his passes.

While Daniels and Travis are both dual threats, Daniels appears to be the better runner by far. Daniels rushed for 885 yds in 2022, Travis for 417.

So where do the pro scouts project Daniels and Travis in the 2024 draft? It depends on the scout, but both are vert highly thought of and project very close to each other, somewhere in the 2nd to 5th round. Daniels is a couple inches taller, Travis a bit thicker, but Daniels has added weight. The draft profiles are vey high on Travis’s running game, but the stats show Daniels is the bigger running threat. Is that because Daniels takes off too early? Or had to run early for lack of protection? Or is he just a better running threat? I think it’s probably a combination of the three.

LSU fans not sold on Daniels might be surprised to know that he is on most everyone’s Heisman trophy top ten watch list. Travis is too. A couple preseason lists had Daniels and Travis in their top five Heisman probables. Athlons has Travis as the second team preseason all ACC team. Athlons has Daniels on their third team all SEC team.

Advantage - Even. It’s hard to see any unbiased observer rating one of these two quarterbacks significantly higher than the other. They have similar styles, similar statistics and are similarly rated on NFL drat sites. Most sites have them ranked very near each other, some have Travis as a top 5 college qb, some have Daniels that high.

Being the LSU homer that I am, I would argue Daniels has a slight edge because the comparison last year was not always apples to apples. When they first met, Travis had four years in the FSU offense playing top ACC teams. Daniels was in his first year in a new offense on a new team in the SEC. Daniels 2022 stats were, on average, against better defenses than Travis saw. But FSU played some tough teams as well.

If I were an FSU fan, I would argue Travis has the slight edge because he has been more consistent. Daniels at his best was very, very good. Daniels at his worst was very bad.

One thing for sure, Travis will be be one of the best QBs LSU will see this year. You dont get too many top ten match ups in the first week of September, top ten teams and, arguably, top ten qbs. Travis should have LSU fans worried, Daniels should worry FSU fans. I miss Maason Smith already, one of the more chicken shite suspensions in NCAA history.

These are two mirror image qbs with similar strengths and weaknesses. I think Daniel’s ability to break a big run could be the difference.

The 2023 LSU/Florida state game is going to have monster TV ratings. Sunday night, the week before pro football starts? All college fans will be watching this game, it’s a monster game for being so early in the season.
Posted by jafari rastaman
Member since Nov 2015
1841 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:51 pm to
JD has the edge.
Posted by tgdk11
Member since Nov 2017
1081 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:54 pm to
Travis makes more passing plays happen when plays break down, where JD makes more scrambles and runs happen. Both are pain in the asses for d coordinators. Jd has better natural talent, but all about how they execute. Travis hit every 3rd down, short yd scramble they needed last yr. His arm talent isn't as good, but he can play
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32679 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:54 pm to
I mean the reality is - who shows up?

Does Jayden from Ole Miss, Florida and Bama show up?

Or does the Jayden from Arkansas, A&M and Tennessee show up?

If he plays at his full clip then Jayden is the answer
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42995 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:55 pm to
Both are very good
It will depend on which team can get more pressure to get them off rhythm
Both are capable of buying enough time to make plays
Posted by biohzrd
Central City
Member since Jan 2010
5610 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 2:20 pm to
I’ll take LSU in year two of BK, a much more comfortable, and confident team. LSU was a shell of itself in last years game to now. No week zero game for FSU, upgrades across the board for LSU.

Travis will have to deal with all of that. Daniels is a different QB than he was a year ago. We ROLL next week!!
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27805 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 2:22 pm to
They shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence. Daniels runs circles around him in every aspect
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
8005 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 2:29 pm to
JD had 186 rush attempts last year compared to Travis’ 82 rush attempts. Jordan Travis actually had more yards per rush attempt. 5.1 YPC to 4.8 YPC. So I think you analysis that Daniels is a much better runner is a little overplayed.
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I suppose the fact that Travis averaged a yd and a half more per completion has him ranked so much higher? I was surprised to see Daniel’s completed 68% of his passes.

These go hand in hand. JD’s completion percentage was helped by not taking shots downfield. Travis was throwing the ball downfield more and still had a 24/5 TD/INT ratio which is pretty impressive.

Overall I think they pretty comparable, I’d probably give Travis the edge just by a little bit.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22482 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 2:39 pm to
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Jordan Travis actually had more yards per rush attempt. 5.1 YPC to 4.8 YPC. So I think you analysis that Daniels is a much better runner is a little overplayed.


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JD had 186 rush attempts last year compared to Travis’ 82 rush attempts


Tell me you dont understand sample size implications….

This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
8005 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 2:45 pm to
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Tell me you dont understand sample size implications….

Huh? The OP said that Daniels is a better runner “by far” because he had more rush yards. He also had over 100 more carries.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 2:46 pm
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:10 pm to
I would prefer that Daniels' ability to make the difficult throw be the difference, but so be it.

Posted by wrongRob
Tampa FL
Member since Oct 2017
922 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:36 pm to
Like you pointed out the numbers were not much different for each QB.

The big difference:

FSU was better than LSU on 3rd down conversions. LSU 5 of 11, FSU 11 of 17.

LSU last year was 49% on 3rd down conversions for the season.

FSU last year was just above 50% on 3rd down conversions for the season.

LSU/JD will be better on 3rd down based on the O-line alone!
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57517 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:39 pm to
Are you trying to say that 82 rushing attempts for a QB is not a large enough sample size to draw a comparison?
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2707 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:42 pm to
Our Oline and Dline talent at depth will be the difference.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
5825 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:45 pm to
The difference this year is at LB. Perkins on the spy and Speights thumping runs. Travis will have to work to pick up first down with his legs. FSU will have to block the scraping LB when they run that pull. These are two little things but the difference between drive killers and extenders.

I’m all honesty, if I was the OC for FSU, I would throw a ton of short routes to the WR in the first half. Take advantage of the size difference and force the front 7 to pass rush and chase.
Posted by The Real Drooby
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
1454 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:04 pm to
The difference in the game will be how it is coached and play calling
BK is much more experienced and successful than Norvell
Posted by RonLaFlamme
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
1693 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:14 pm to
I’d say the difference in attempts indicate that JD is more elusive, athletic and creative. Travis having 1/2 the attempts indicates they were obvious opportunities. I think OPs observation is on point.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7566 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:18 pm to
Useless comparison. All that matters is the differential in Daniels vs FSU defense compared to Travis vs LSU defense
Posted by toughcrittercrumb
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
2150 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:23 pm to
Just watched the game again. The OL was really detrimental to us winning. Dellinger snap over JD head. Boutte should have had two TDs in that game. One on the opening drive in which the ball was in his hands until he hit the ground. The other in which he didn’t even look for the ball. JD stats would have surpassed Travis’ stats in that head to head matchup.

I heard some FSU podcaster talk about how they went to prevent. BS. LSU starting rolling when they started running the tempo office. One thing BK isn’t afraid to adapt. I think we see a lot more tempo. If we can eliminate the mistakes, I could see us have a really good day on offense.
Posted by Savagetiger65
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2023
327 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:36 pm to
Your not taking into consideration that both these qbs faced completely different competition! The teams LSU played with the NFL athletes and the bush league competition Travis went up against every week. Show me a throw Travis made all year that compares to that beauty Daniels made to Mason Taylor in the end zone agains Alabama better yet put Travis in that game as LSUS qb and see if we even win!
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