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Regarding Denbrock’s Play Calling
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:32 am
It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing. But I’m not so sure it doesn’t work otherwise cuz when I see Nuss in the game, there doesn’t seem to be the same problems about Denbrock when you have a QB who can actually throw the ball. Watched all of Nuss highlights from last year and that doesn’t look like an offense that doesn’t work. It seems to me JD can’t do the things being asked if him and if that’s the case then they need to either play Nuss or tailor the game plan more towards what JD can do better like rolling the pocket on most plays. Just my observations.
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:34 am to mjv1011
By halftime, we had 300 yds offense.
That's a lot.
The red zone play calling continues to be awful, which is why we get deep in their territory with no points.
That's a lot.
The red zone play calling continues to be awful, which is why we get deep in their territory with no points.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:34 am to mjv1011
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Watched all of Nuss highlights from last year and that doesn’t look like an offense that doesn’t work
you watched every play he ran or just the successful ones? the pick 6 vs southern?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:43 am to mjv1011
I'm gonna tell my kids this was Mike Denbrock
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:44 am to nitwit
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By halftime, we had 300 yds offense.
Now do the 2nd half
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:55 am to mjv1011
quote:
It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing. But I’m not so sure it doesn’t work otherwise cuz when I see Nuss in the game, there doesn’t seem to be the same problems about Denbrock when you have a QB who can actually throw the ball. Watched all of Nuss highlights from last year and that doesn’t look like an offense that doesn’t work. It seems to me JD can’t do the things being asked if him and if that’s the case then they need to either play Nuss or tailor the game plan more towards what JD can do better like rolling the pocket on most plays. Just my observations.
I don't really agree.
I don't like the tight formations. I hate that everything is short to intermediate passing. And, I hate how poorly we run the ball.
But, I view all of those things as scheme and philosophy. Play calling worked pretty much all night. We easily could have score 40 if things fall differently.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:56 am to Topwater Trout
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you watched every play he ran or just the successful ones? the pick 6 vs southern?
That’s something that can be worked on with coaching. JD5 is a finished product. He is a fifth year player and has shown no improvement in his area of deficiencies.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:56 am to mjv1011
I am curious after watching some film whether we have any option routes in the system.
For example, look at the first 4th down where JD held too long and got sacked. If Malik has an option route by reading the corner's leverage, he could have broken into the middle for an easy TD. Instead, he swam around to work to the back corner where the DB had good leverage inside, and got open too late for JD.
For example, look at the first 4th down where JD held too long and got sacked. If Malik has an option route by reading the corner's leverage, he could have broken into the middle for an easy TD. Instead, he swam around to work to the back corner where the DB had good leverage inside, and got open too late for JD.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:59 am to nitwit
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By halftime, we had 300 yds offense.
That's a lot.
The red zone play calling continues to be awful, which is why we get deep in their territory with no points.
I do not think it was play calls, I think it was execution and wrong person driving the car. When Nuss gets in there, the play calling changes completely. I just do not think Nuss is that off script.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 10:59 am to nitwit
100%-red zone play calling needs to get much better
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:10 am to mjv1011
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It doesn’t work with JD running the show. Square peg round hole sort of thing.
That literally speaks to the incompetence of the OC to adapt his scheme to his players. You call plays that fit your players skill sets. SMH
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:13 am to moneyg
quote:This is huge for me. For as athletic as the team is, why they would motion a receiver in to block rather than spread the opposing defense out is crazy. The worst part is never play-actioning off of that same pre-snap movement, so the defense is just teeing off on the offensive line. Spread them out, push them off with some deep shots early.
I don't like the tight formations
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:15 am to nitwit
Yards are cool, but TDs win games. And basically got shutout the entire 2nd half.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:15 am to mjv1011
Most of the routes are outside the hashes and one on one matchups. The formations are very predictable and rarely confuse defenses (outside of the 1st play on Sunday). The routes are often long developing timing routes. Daniels has shown hesitancy in throwing those balls. That offensive approach just doesn't fit him. To me, LSU has to have more one-read, quick hitters and use multiple formations more to create the matchups you want so Daniels can get the ball out quicker.
The passing game looks FAR more explosive with Nussmeier at QB because he is not hesitant to throw the ball on contested routes downfield. The downside of that is he's going to throw more INTs because of it. BUT, if this is the passing game the OC refuses to modify then it may be better to play Nussmeier. I don't say that as a knock on Daniels. I think he does some great things Nussmeier can't. But he's just not a match with what Denbrock wants to do. So if the OC isn't going to change his approach (and he's shown he isn't) then the only other choice is to change the QB. Otherwise, expect to continue to get the same results.
Good coaches put their talent in the best position to succeed. Bad coaches complain they don't have the guys to run their "system"
The passing game looks FAR more explosive with Nussmeier at QB because he is not hesitant to throw the ball on contested routes downfield. The downside of that is he's going to throw more INTs because of it. BUT, if this is the passing game the OC refuses to modify then it may be better to play Nussmeier. I don't say that as a knock on Daniels. I think he does some great things Nussmeier can't. But he's just not a match with what Denbrock wants to do. So if the OC isn't going to change his approach (and he's shown he isn't) then the only other choice is to change the QB. Otherwise, expect to continue to get the same results.
Good coaches put their talent in the best position to succeed. Bad coaches complain they don't have the guys to run their "system"
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:16 am to nitwit
Here we go with the empty freaking stats...again! Are you Matt Moscona? 
The goal line plays were stupid, but did you see the duck that 5 threw to 8. Then he takes a sack as the cherry on top so FSU gets to start from their 15 instead of 2.
The goal line plays were stupid, but did you see the duck that 5 threw to 8. Then he takes a sack as the cherry on top so FSU gets to start from their 15 instead of 2. Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:19 am to mjv1011
Does anyone have the time or the inclination to chart each one of Daniels' throws, noting completions, incompletions, interception?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:32 am to mjv1011
Denbrock can’t use the full playbook with JD in the game. As far as short yardage and goal line, how often does JD check out of plays? I see QB’s on other teams pre read and make adjustments but I don’t see him do that. Maybe they don’t let him? I don’t know but I did see Nuss check out in the SECCG more than once.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:33 am to LSUminati
I think this is the problem. JD needs a system based on timing and spacing. Our system seems to be based on WR beating their man. They can't do that consistently and JD just isn't the guy that's going to force the ball to a covered receiver. Give him some option routes and play the receivers who can get their heads around and locate the ball across the middle. As of now seems like we can only complete a pass when it's too the wide side of the field where the receiver can track the ball coming from 30+ yards away.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:39 am to mjv1011
JD is a RB. Hard to have a productive down field passing game with a RB throwing. Unfortunately it is needed, because of no rushing attack. Daniels is only effective at throwing balls at the LOS and running. Recipe for lack of points and multiple losses.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 11:40 am to mjv1011
Red zone play calling was the absolute worst. Probably the biggest game changer on Sunday.
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