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2025 is going to be an interesting year for WRs.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:58 pm
Louisiana has a ton of WR talent in the class and LSU likely won’t take some of them unless we miss on a few 5 stars we are after. I don’t know how many we will take but the possibility of take 2 of the top 3 WR is exciting if they are from Texas. Going to be a fight to land 1 let alone both.
In the grand scheme of things lsu has had a lot more success with in state WRs compared to out of state.
In the grand scheme of things lsu has had a lot more success with in state WRs compared to out of state.
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:03 pm to Tigernomics
Louisiana never seems to have a problem at WR and if we miss on an out of state player, I'm sure there'll be something good hanging from the tree right here.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:16 pm to Tigernomics
there's a lot of 'obviously's' here.
Obviously i want DK Moore type talent to come from BR.
Obviously I want to keep DK Moore and other 5 star guys.
But what I don't want is for the 'fight till the end' to last to where we find a J Jefferson only to commit to MSU and then DK Moore flip on signing day.
Take a look at K. Coleman, he probably wanted LSU but we took 5 or six that year.
Obviously i want DK Moore type talent to come from BR.
Obviously I want to keep DK Moore and other 5 star guys.
But what I don't want is for the 'fight till the end' to last to where we find a J Jefferson only to commit to MSU and then DK Moore flip on signing day.
Take a look at K. Coleman, he probably wanted LSU but we took 5 or six that year.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:22 pm to dstone12
Only 1 WR the year of Coleman was out of state. I agree you don’t want guys to go else where and be studs. Louisiana is always going to have guys like that. You just hope you hit one everyone you take which isn’t likely and maybe get lucky and the guys that leave come back.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 4/30/24 at 5:46 pm to Tigernomics
Out of the instate guys, how many have offers that are commitable right now? Maybe none?
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:04 pm to Tigernomics
Honestly, Zay Martin has shown some promise. Haven’t heard much about him, but he’s balling out for Fleaux
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:16 pm to Tigernomics
While I agree that Louisiana typically has produced a lot of very good receivers, there's no guarantee that every recruiting cycle will include them. We have no idea how the receivers from the 2023 and 2024 classes will even pan out yet.
There were days when Louisiana produced great quarterbacks...until it didn't. I never would have imagined there would be such a scarcity of defensive tackles from in state, but there has been lately. There have even been cycles where the state didn't have a lot to offer by way of defensive backs.
I just don't think LSU can always rely on the "Louisiana always produces great......" mantra. A year or two when it doesn't produce great players at a certain position can derail a championship run.
While I think the state generally will have great receivers, it may not be true every year. You just have to trust the coaches to try and sign the guys they think can play championship football. I would love to see them from Louisiana, but I don't want to turn away great receivers just because they're from Texas.
There were days when Louisiana produced great quarterbacks...until it didn't. I never would have imagined there would be such a scarcity of defensive tackles from in state, but there has been lately. There have even been cycles where the state didn't have a lot to offer by way of defensive backs.
I just don't think LSU can always rely on the "Louisiana always produces great......" mantra. A year or two when it doesn't produce great players at a certain position can derail a championship run.
While I think the state generally will have great receivers, it may not be true every year. You just have to trust the coaches to try and sign the guys they think can play championship football. I would love to see them from Louisiana, but I don't want to turn away great receivers just because they're from Texas.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:28 pm to Tigernomics
#StopChasingOutOfStateWRs
It’s a waste of time. Those that do show up on campus transfer out.
It’s a waste of time. Those that do show up on campus transfer out.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:59 am to ipodking
I agree to an extent but there's no one in LA that can match Moore so you chase kids like that. In terms of the mid-hi 4* down to the high 3s, it boils down to fit and trying to find multiple kids to do different things well. Wr production is very easy to replace. LA has droves of them in all shapes, sizes and skill. The difference in talent top to bottom is negligible imo. A kid like Billiot could match any wr in the country short of Jeremiah Smith in last years class in terms of where they'll be in 5-6 years developmentally.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:33 am to ipodking
You don't turn down out of state 5 stars if they want to come to LSU especially Texas 5 stars. Now 4 stars we have them and most are underrated.
Also think people are overreacting Moore and Lockett are probably only 2 out of state that LSU might land. LSU will still end with 3 or 4 in state wrs. People acting like it will be 1 or non from the state in 2025 class.
Let's relax and let it all play out into signing day.
Also think people are overreacting Moore and Lockett are probably only 2 out of state that LSU might land. LSU will still end with 3 or 4 in state wrs. People acting like it will be 1 or non from the state in 2025 class.
Let's relax and let it all play out into signing day.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:14 pm to LSU1215
Exactly, not sure why anyone is worried about WR right now. We have a once in a lifetime QB coming to play here, he will get WRs to LSU just on his name alone. Not to mention we have proven coaches on that side.
Right now, it’s defense, defense, defense! Get those DLman, LBs and DBs here and the rest will follow. You may not think a defense can recruit offensive talent but it can. When you see your defense kicking some arse, it makes you want to play for that team because it’ll make your job that much easier and it gives you a shot at winning championships.
With our history of WRs, I’m not concerned at all. Stay on top of it and that’s it. Like someone said, you can have a 3* WR develop into a 5* pretty quickly. You can’t do that at QB, OL, DL or LB. Those are the main positions. We have had a two year laps in defensive coaching and recruiting that came from the new coaches. Those guys just didn’t know how to coach up the talent we had or how to recruit new talent. That’s why we in the position we in there.
The new coaches are proven coaches who know exactly what to do. It’ll take a year or two because we had a year or two laps. We get that back on track and stay doing the same things we have been for the offense and we’ll be exactly where we should be. It’s obvious to me that Brain Kelly is much better at recognizing offensive coaches than he is with the defensive guys. He definitely made some great hires this time around.
I think they all fit LSU really well and it’s a mix of younger coaches with old school. I’m excited to see how our defense looks compared to last year. I’m not expecting greatness but I’d like to see a rankings jump into the 60-70s. I think we can do that this year, maybe better? With the offense we should have, it should win us lots of games. Something needs to be done with the darn ST’s game also. I get it, the rules make it harder but we can do better.
Right now, it’s defense, defense, defense! Get those DLman, LBs and DBs here and the rest will follow. You may not think a defense can recruit offensive talent but it can. When you see your defense kicking some arse, it makes you want to play for that team because it’ll make your job that much easier and it gives you a shot at winning championships.
With our history of WRs, I’m not concerned at all. Stay on top of it and that’s it. Like someone said, you can have a 3* WR develop into a 5* pretty quickly. You can’t do that at QB, OL, DL or LB. Those are the main positions. We have had a two year laps in defensive coaching and recruiting that came from the new coaches. Those guys just didn’t know how to coach up the talent we had or how to recruit new talent. That’s why we in the position we in there.
The new coaches are proven coaches who know exactly what to do. It’ll take a year or two because we had a year or two laps. We get that back on track and stay doing the same things we have been for the offense and we’ll be exactly where we should be. It’s obvious to me that Brain Kelly is much better at recognizing offensive coaches than he is with the defensive guys. He definitely made some great hires this time around.
I think they all fit LSU really well and it’s a mix of younger coaches with old school. I’m excited to see how our defense looks compared to last year. I’m not expecting greatness but I’d like to see a rankings jump into the 60-70s. I think we can do that this year, maybe better? With the offense we should have, it should win us lots of games. Something needs to be done with the darn ST’s game also. I get it, the rules make it harder but we can do better.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 5:28 am to BayouBengal99
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you can have a 3* WR develop into a 5* pretty quickly. You can’t do that at QB, OL, DL or LB.
You can’t? The best QB in the NFL was a three star not so long ago. QB is probably the main position that is hard to rate out of high school.
Damien Lewis, one of the best OL ever at LSU, was a three star. Out of JUCO, but he was like a zero star out of HS - he had no offers.
Most guys in the NFL, at every position you listed, were less than 4 stars.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:11 am to Penrod
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Damien Lewis, one of the best OL ever at LSU
Was he? I know he was good but GOAT status?
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:35 am to Penrod
I wasn’t saying it’s impossible but it’s much much more difficult. What I’m saying is you see more DBs, RBs, WRs, and TEs who make it from a lower ranking to become a winning player in college.
Pro is a different animal altogether. I’m mainly talking about college ball. The pros have a huge advantage to see these players mature and play on a much higher level than the college coaches get to see. These players aren’t even close to a mature body, mind or skill when coming from HS for many reasons. College to pro is slightly different. You don’t see many colleges taking a risk on a 3* QB over a 5*. Plus there are only so many spots at the QB position. The skill position players do it all the time.
Now of course we still prefer the higher ranked guys over the lower ranked guys, that’s not my argument. But you do see them perform and advance a team at those positions. Not so much at QB, OL, DL and LB. That’s what I’m saying. There is usually a huge drop off and you notice it much more at those positions. You can get by at the others if you have good players. They don’t have to be world beaters.
The drop off just isn’t as noticeable for RB, TE, WR and DB. Again you still want to get the best players possible but if you miss on the 5* DB, you can go get the 3* guy develop them fairly quickly and play good defense with them. That’s much harder to do on the DL or at LB, it’s very noticeable. It’s the same with WR and QB or OL and RB or TE. You miss on the 5* WR, you can still get a 3* guy who advances your offense. Good luck doing that with the QBs and OLman. Not as easy. Possible but not recommended.
Pro is a different animal altogether. I’m mainly talking about college ball. The pros have a huge advantage to see these players mature and play on a much higher level than the college coaches get to see. These players aren’t even close to a mature body, mind or skill when coming from HS for many reasons. College to pro is slightly different. You don’t see many colleges taking a risk on a 3* QB over a 5*. Plus there are only so many spots at the QB position. The skill position players do it all the time.
Now of course we still prefer the higher ranked guys over the lower ranked guys, that’s not my argument. But you do see them perform and advance a team at those positions. Not so much at QB, OL, DL and LB. That’s what I’m saying. There is usually a huge drop off and you notice it much more at those positions. You can get by at the others if you have good players. They don’t have to be world beaters.
The drop off just isn’t as noticeable for RB, TE, WR and DB. Again you still want to get the best players possible but if you miss on the 5* DB, you can go get the 3* guy develop them fairly quickly and play good defense with them. That’s much harder to do on the DL or at LB, it’s very noticeable. It’s the same with WR and QB or OL and RB or TE. You miss on the 5* WR, you can still get a 3* guy who advances your offense. Good luck doing that with the QBs and OLman. Not as easy. Possible but not recommended.
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