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re: Daily Strength Check-In

Posted on 5/2/18 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by marchballer
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 3:49 pm to
How much leg drive do you have when you deadlift? You want to push away from the floor when you deadlift.

Agree with depth on squats. I used to think I could squat 275 but turned out I was half squatting. Full Squats were a different story when I hit depth.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 3:55 pm to
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Full Squats were a different story when I hit depth.



That, plus a legit barbell bench press. None of that stop 5 inches from your chest shite or go down as fast as you can to get a solid 3" bounce of your broken sternum. A legit bench is a slow decent with a pause after touching the chest. A meet passing bench can take 50-70 pounds off most non-meet strongmen.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81724 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 3:55 pm to
I often mix. Today was conventional. I'm generally better at sumo.
Posted by JamesLang
Member since Mar 2018
388 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:00 pm to
But what about squats?

Getting this deep?

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81724 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:11 pm to
Probably.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10478 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

Getting this deep?


I don't go arse to grass. Hurts my knees to much even though I wrap past 315. Parallel and call it a day.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22204 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:36 pm to
Parallel is more than enough.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10432 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

I think he is asking if you are doing full squats. arse to grass...lower than parallel. 

If you aren't squatting deep you aren't developing the drive you need for DLs.


1/2 squats allow a lot more weight. I can 1/2 squat more than I can deadlift, but my full squat is 100+ LB behind my dead.

I love videoing because your body will lie to you about depth, etc. It could be simply that your squat is high and that allows more weight. There's no way to be really sure without video.

If it's not depth, it could be technique (as stated). This is another reason I love video, it will show technical flaws.

Then it could be mental. The only solution here is to go harder.

Final answer is really just proportions and build. If you have the strength, technique and mental aspect locked in, you may be the rare guy who is super well built for squats vs deads.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22204 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:45 pm to
I don't understand how squat depth matters with DL. If you are deadlifting, you aren't going past parallel and squatting the weight up. You are more in a 1/2 squat form anyway. It's about starting position and keeping tight. Pushing the floor away and shooting the glutes forward.

This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22204 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:50 pm to
Also try this.....

Get 225 and do a deadlift and let the weight go down your legs straight to the ground in a negative. That should be your starting position. That's why 2nd and 3rd reps are easier than the first. It's because you are in a better position.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278627 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:45 pm to
quote:


I don't understand how squat depth matters with D



wouldnt a full depth squat strengthen the following?

quote:

Pushing the floor away and shooting the glutes forward.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278627 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 6:53 pm to
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So very puzzled and disappointed by my weakness at DL. Barely got 255 3 times today. I can squat 300 that many times. I could barely bend the bar at 275. Other than having very short arms putting me in a low position, I just don't understand why this is the way it is.



first lets not blame it on your arm length.

2nd hows your grip strength ? What do you actually feel is failing you?


short and concise video i like


pay special attention when he speaks about engaging the posterior chain. This is the biggest fault i see in most newbs when deadlifting. They want to set up in a clean position rather than a deadlift. Make sure those hammies are firing. Make sure weight is in heels.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22204 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

wouldnt a full depth squat strengthen the following?


Loaded question. Either a full squat or a half squat will.

I'm saying that it really doesn't matter if it's half or full.

However, I don't advocate half reps unless at a late intermediate or advanced level.
Posted by Earthmover
Central
Member since Jan 2013
451 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:40 pm to
First squat day in over a month. Knees making noise. Wearing neoprene sleeves as always.
Front squat
45 x 10
95 x 10
135 x 5
Back squat low barish
135 x 10
185 x 5
225 x 5
255 x 5
Put on belt
275 x 3
295 x 3
Felt heavy moved slow
315 x 1 purely for bruised ego was ugly and I’m sure a little high
225 x 10 with belt
135 x 10


Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278627 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

I'm saying that it really doesn't matter if it's half or full.




you think they build strength equally?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22204 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

think they build strength equally?


I think you're a good dude but your thinking in absolutes are going to mislead people.

What if you struggle in the top end of the squat? Half paused squats will help your ultimate strength in the movement combined with the regular squat.

By your logic, there is no reason to do partial reps.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31419 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:15 pm to
Yea the whole anti conjugate method thing.

Only thing I will say on this is, if you doubt Louie and his methods you will be proven wrong over and over.

HFP there is an absolute that you can take to the bank.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278627 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

By your logic, there is no reason to do partial reps.




I haven't even given my thoughts(you mention my thinking & my logic), simply asked you a question which you didn't actually answer


I just asked if you think they build strength equally. I didn't say partial squats are useless. I didn't say there werent any reasons to do partial reps.


Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81724 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

first lets not blame it on your arm length.
No, let's do, for now.
quote:

2nd hows your grip strength ?
Probably poor.
quote:

What do you actually feel is failing you?
I don't even get the eight started.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10432 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

I don't understand how squat depth matters with DL. If you are deadlifting,


His question was about why his dead # is proportionally smaller compared to most people's dead vs squat.

What I'm saying is that his ratio could be skewed if he's half squatting and his squat number is higher than other people squatting to depth would be. If his dead is 275x3, his half squat is 300x3 and his full squat is 225x3, his ratio isn't really different, his squat is just artificially inflated based on depth.

Half squat is also Tug Speedman's son's name. It offers a different effect bc you can use stretch reflex. Pin squats from your DL start are different bc they eliminate stretch reflex. They can be really productive.

My main point wasn't about the training effect of squats, though. It was the degree to which a half squat will change your dead/squat ratio to be misleading when viewed vs the ratio of a full squatter
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