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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:16 pm to higgsBoson
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:16 pm to higgsBoson
quote:
A 36 year old 5’11” player is about to win a title.
and he's not a lead scorer. CP3 has adapted an old man game that, i might add, was criticized for not being capable of winning a title until this year
Dame isn't CP3. he's a scorer first and relies on his athleticism on offense more than CP3 ever did. when that goes he's toast. CP3 has always had a cerebral, playmaker game and because of that he could adapt as he lost his athleticism
and CP3 is an extreme outlier, historically. if i give you CP3 than that's about it. give me another
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:18 pm to higgsBoson
quote:
A 36 year old 5’11” player is about to win a title.
Do y’all think CP3 & Lillard provide value in the same ways?
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don’t see Curry falling off anytime soon and I view him just like I do Dame.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:25 pm to Colonel Flagg
In the trade scenario where we send Kira, Ingram and 4-5 firsts, we still have NAW and Hayes as young developing potential stars in their own right. We also still have young guys like Naji and Didi. We might even still have Lonzo. We still have a 21 year old Zion. And we still have at least 1 pick a year for the next 7 years. Some years we’d still have multiple and we might still have some swap rights. Point is We are in a position where we “overpay” and still not be crippled asset wise if it doesn’t work out the way we anticipate.
Vs
Just letting it ride with Z and Bi. Making some maybe slightly above lateral moves getting rid of Adams and Bled and say 2-3 first rd picks just to get off of them and bring averagish players in.
I’m not saying that’s the only 2 options necessarily, but if you want to significantly improve your team this offseason, it’s going to be an overpay on paper. Luckily we’d still have an above average asset base after that overpay. 90-95% of teams do not have that luxury.
Vs
Just letting it ride with Z and Bi. Making some maybe slightly above lateral moves getting rid of Adams and Bled and say 2-3 first rd picks just to get off of them and bring averagish players in.
I’m not saying that’s the only 2 options necessarily, but if you want to significantly improve your team this offseason, it’s going to be an overpay on paper. Luckily we’d still have an above average asset base after that overpay. 90-95% of teams do not have that luxury.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:25 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:You shouldn't.
I don’t see Curry falling off anytime soon and I view him just like I do Dame.
He's a much better passer than Dame, and relies much less on explosion than Dame.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:26 pm to brmark70816
Steph is 33 and lead the league in ppg...
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:26 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
You are acting like the biggest factor in driving his price is the demand. when that is not all that important at all.
This is perhaps one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.
Limited supply + Heavy Demand = Increased price.
quote:
Same way it became narrowed down for the Pels when they traded AD. You fundamentally do not understand how trades are executed in the nba
The laws of supply and demand don’t go away because there is an NBA logo behind the transaction.
If Lillard was put on the market this offseason the dynamics vs the AD trade would be drastically different. AD suppressed the market because he had leverage, so demand for AD and the price teams would pay was limited. Same with Kawhi. That would not be the case with Lillard. Thinking the market would behave the same is once again showing your fundamental ignorance of basic market behavior, NBA or otherwise.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
The NBA is about difference makers. Dame is a difference maker. He has demonstrated it time and time again. Outside of Steph (who is also too old to include BI in a trade for), can anyone tell me another player who fits Zion better? An elite creator from the perimeter who can hit every shot on the floor. Outside of Steph he is the best spacer in the league. Again, he is a difference maker and Zion will be a difference maker probably beginning next year. Give me two of those however you have to make it happen. We would be lucky enough to still have an extra 4 first round picks to play with IF we had to include BI.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:29 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Lol at you for thinking an often injured Robin big man is worth more than a consistently healthy mvp level guard that might be the most clutch player in nba history. I don’t understand the hard on some of you cats still have for AD.
I love Lillard but he’s over 30 now. And let’s not forget the series where AD as the #1 option swept Lillard while he got totally punked by Jrue. Getting swept by this organization in the first round kinda casts doubt on MVP level labels….
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:29 pm to Bronc
quote:
Again, if you all think BI and maybe a pick or some half arse combo of Kira and picks or something will get it done, it won’t.
What is a legit offer in your opinion? What would be the next best offers.
I stated what I think makes sense taking into consideration BI is young, a recent western all-star, and a reasonable contract.
What are some other hypothetical offers?
BI, Lewis, Bledsoe, Pels 2021 1st, Lakers 2022 1st (unprotected), Pels 2023 1st (protected)
for
Lillard and Covington
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:32 pm to brmark70816
Curry is 33 and just had the best season of his career. Dame plays the least taxing postion in the NBA, shoot the Hawks have been hiding Tre in the corner for 3 rounds on D. And while Dame is athletic his game is not built around it, his crazy range is not going to disappear for awhile. Shoot JJ got to age 37 before he got cooked.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:32 pm to Colonel Flagg
A proposed trade I saw has Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, 2021 1st and 2023 1st for Lillard.
That beats your trade..
That beats your trade..
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:33 pm to Jar_Jar_80
quote:
Curry is 33 and just had the best season of his career. Dame plays the least taxing postion in the NBA, shoot the Hawks have been hiding Tre in the corner for 3 rounds on D. And while Dame is athletic his game is not built around it, his crazy range is not going to disappear for awhile. Shoot JJ got to age 37 before he got cooked.
Didn't Curry just miss a full season due to injury?
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:35 pm to Bronc
quote:Harden did it.
Again, unlike AD, unlike Kawhi, Lillard has no real leverage. He can’t artificially suppress the market to only the places he lists, he has 4 years left. He’d have to retire and leave 100 million plus on the table, he won’t. So basically if you want Lillard the only thing preventing it is the guy next to you outbidding you. And there are going to be a decent number of those competitors. And what happens when lots of demand goes after limited supply???? Prices rise
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:36 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
If Blazers trade Dame(BIG IF), they are going full rebuild and trading CJ too.
Kira
Bledsoe
Adams
6-1st is my offer.
For Dame and Roco.
Give them 9 1st, I don’t care.
Resign Lonzo
Let hart walk.
Dame
Lonzo
Ingram
Zion
Hayes
NAW
Didi
Naji
Roco
Willy
Kira
Bledsoe
Adams
6-1st is my offer.
For Dame and Roco.
Give them 9 1st, I don’t care.
Resign Lonzo
Let hart walk.
Dame
Lonzo
Ingram
Zion
Hayes
NAW
Didi
Naji
Roco
Willy
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:36 pm to Bronc
quote:
If Lillard was put on the market this offseason the dynamics vs the AD trade would be drastically different. AD suppressed the market because he had leverage, so demand for AD and the price teams would pay was limited. Same with Kawh
. The superstar always has leverage
quote:
Limited supply + Heavy Demand = Increased price.
“High demand” is weeded down to 2-3 teams with the snap of a finger. You’re being dramatic
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:39 pm to brmark70816
quote:
A proposed trade I saw has Simmons, Maxey, Thybulle, Reed, 2021 1st and 2023 1st for Lillard.
That beats your trade..
I can’t imagine they will take 4 players back for 1 in a trade.
The picks are worse and I think Simmons skill set is debatable right now. At least he is a big centerpiece.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:40 pm to brmark70816
That was a freak wrist injury. That’s a bit different. Also the Warriors are dealing with some serious karma demons after rupturing KD’s achilles in the attempt for a 4th championship. Med team lied to KD that he wasn’t at risk for an achilles. That’s a big reason why he left.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:41 pm to Bronc
quote:
Dame’s only leverage is the hope that if he asks out, and Portland agrees it’s time to rebuild, they will do right by him out of goodwill.
So if he holds no leverage and any team can realistically bid for him why can’t Portland just pull a Green Bay and say you play for us or retire? He has no leverage.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:41 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:
And let’s not forget the series where AD as the #1 option swept Lillard while he got totally punked by Jrue.
Lillard didn't have Zion to play with in that series did he?
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