re: Kneeling is 100% disrespectful, and that IS the point

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disagree. So does Dak Prescott and many other black athletes.

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They say those are bowing to MASSA, no shite

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The message is lost and I would argue causing more division than unity.

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Correct

As I’ve said before, I can stand and support you at the same time. But they became to enraged by people being offended...which was the point, they lost the focus.

It’s not the job of the listener to ignore bad messaging, it’s the messengers job to grab my attention. They fail to realize this.

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I guess in order for a protest to be impactful in this sense, you do it on a platform that gives you the most attention. For a football player, I guess that's during the anthem.

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I get it. I still feel like there has to be a better way to do it without being so polarizing. It's counter-intuitive.

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I get it. I still feel like there has to be a better way to do it without being so polarizing. It's counter-intuitive.

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Yeah I agree. I wish it wasn't so polarizing, but at the same time, when you try to think of a less polarizing time to do it, nobody would pay attention.

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I wish it wasn't so polarizing, but at the same time, when you try to think of a less polarizing time to do it, nobody would pay attention.

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the problem is they are making a splash and bringing attention to their issue, but in doing it the way they are they are actually emboldening people against them.


A protest should be designed to offend those seen as the aggressors. It should win over the rest. Instead the kneeling is seen as disrespectful to the large majority of Americans, because we don't associate the flag with the police regardless of how much these kneelers say that's their intent. The reason is because the flag represents all that we are as a nation, not just one sect of society.

That is also why it is so offensive, because kneeling is disrespecting all of us including our history of overcoming civil injustices and coming together as a whole.

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So if Kaep himself admits he didn't stand because he didn't want to show pride in the flag and country, why in the world would it be wrong for someone to agree essentially that not standing is not respecting the flag and country, and why can't that person disagree with that and think we should respect the flag and country?

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Exactly. The part that shows how the left will lie and deceive at every turn is how many people are now saying "Kaep didn't kneel to protest the flag." Just saw Snoop Dog repeat this inaccuracy (whether it be ignorance or a lie in his case is up for debate).

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

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If you're totally in the right on the issue as a whole, why don't you own it as a whole?

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It means different things to different people.

To some, Kneeling/sitting or turning your back to the flag during the national anthem is not a form of disrespecting the country but a sign of mourning the injustices done in this country. It shouldn't offend but bring to light those injustices.

To others, Kneeling/sitting or turning your back to the flag during the national anthem is a great sign of disrespect to the country because of all the people who have sacrificed (as Brees said, no just military but the people fighting for social justices as well) and it does offend those people.

To some, Voicing pride in our country and honoring the sacrifice of all Americans is a very personal thing and something some feel honored and obligated to do.

To some, Voicing pride in our country and honoring the sacrifice of all Americans is a very offensive thing to do because of the history of this country and because injustices continue to happen to this day.

We all have different opinions the problem arises when one side says "You don't have a right to be offended by what I say or do because you don't understand" but "I am offend at what you say or do"

It makes no sense. No one has a right or ability to tell another person what should or shouldn't be offensive to them. And news flash, you have no right to "Not be offended"

I have no right to make anyone stand the national anthem, however I can be offended and feel like you are disrespectful if you don't.

No one has any right or ability to make me go out and march and block roads or loot or make me say that America is not the greatest country in the world. But they can be offended and feel like I'm being disrespectful if I don't.

When you move from feeling to physical and or verbal (to include, doxing, canceling, creating an environment whereas that person loses a job or what not) you lose all credit with me. Its a sign of immaturity and the inability to disagree and have an adult conversation.