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Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:12 pm to Barrister
Jackson Barracks were pretty good that year. Probably second best team behind the 1815 team led by Jean Lafitte.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:13 pm to Barrister
Impressive. Unfortunately most of us weren't around to witness that great season.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:15 pm to DamnStrong1860
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My understanding is that LSU team was essentially UCF and Penn was Bama/Clemson. Good but not on the same level. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Outscored opponents 442-11. Penn can kiss my arse.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:20 pm to Barrister
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LSU - 32 Haskell - 0
Gee Wally, LSU really gave Haskell the business that day...
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:27 pm to Barrister
Never seen 4 pts scored in a football game.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 9:46 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
I have. Florida was beaten by Miami 31-4 in 1987. I remember also Iowa beating Penn State 6-4 in 2004, the year of the Saban Cap One collapse.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:01 pm to lsusalty
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’ve been preaching this for years. Really stupid for LSU not to recognize this team. It’s even listed on the NCAA’s website... yet LSU won’t claim it.
Oh we cheated bad. We paid at least two PRO players to leave their team and come play for us.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:25 pm to mikelbr
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Oh we cheated bad. We paid at least two PRO players to leave their team and come play for us.
Word has it that several prominent players were seen riding around the Old War Skule in tricked out Model T's and were receiving weekly "allowances" of $10 each under the table from wealthy plantation owners...
Posted on 1/9/19 at 10:32 pm to lsusalty
quote:The word I've always gotten is that the higher ups at LSU have stated, "We don't want to claim the 1908 national title because we don't want to be like Alabama. " Yet every college football fan in the nation will tell you that Alabama ranks higher than LSU among college football's hierarchy. Now we know why. CLAIM IT !! When someone gives you a national title you take it, especially if it's a neutral source.
I’ve been preaching this for years. Really stupid for LSU not to recognize this team. It’s even listed on the NCAA’s website... yet LSU won’t claim it.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:28 pm to Barrister
If Tigerdroppings was as powerful in 2008 as it is now, we could have launched a hardcore campus/alumni drive and probably made some headway on claiming it as the one hundredth anniversary..
Now I guess we’ll have to wait until it’s 150 years old.
shite. I’ll be like 80.
Now I guess we’ll have to wait until it’s 150 years old.
shite. I’ll be like 80.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:35 pm to Giantkiller
We need to get behind this like we did the Devin White targeting b. s.
Also, most of you have heard of Jerry Stovall, right. Well he wasn't the first great Stovall to play at LSU.
I think a couple of his great uncles or cousins played on the '08 team and again a generation later another couple. So five Stovalls have had meaningful roles with LSU football.
And I think the '08 team won a bowl game in Cuba or some damn where.
Also, most of you have heard of Jerry Stovall, right. Well he wasn't the first great Stovall to play at LSU.
I think a couple of his great uncles or cousins played on the '08 team and again a generation later another couple. So five Stovalls have had meaningful roles with LSU football.
And I think the '08 team won a bowl game in Cuba or some damn where.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:38 pm to Barrister
LSU was retroactively selected as the national champion of 1908 by just the National Championship Foundation.
Michigan was retroactively selected as the national champion of 1903 AND 1904 by the National Championship Foundation and only the National Championship Foundation (just like LSU in 1908) and Michigan claims those 1903 and 1904 national championships as an official championship and flies banners and flags for them.
We all love to make fun of Alabama for how they claim national championships but there’s precedent for claiming NCF titles by major schools.
LSU needs to claim 1908.
Michigan was retroactively selected as the national champion of 1903 AND 1904 by the National Championship Foundation and only the National Championship Foundation (just like LSU in 1908) and Michigan claims those 1903 and 1904 national championships as an official championship and flies banners and flags for them.
We all love to make fun of Alabama for how they claim national championships but there’s precedent for claiming NCF titles by major schools.
LSU needs to claim 1908.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 12:22 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:41 pm to mikelbr
Yeah there's an article out in cyberspace that referred to the 08 team as "The team of ringers".
It defined early on what can and CAN NOT be given to college players in order to play.
It defined early on what can and CAN NOT be given to college players in order to play.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:53 pm to Barrister
If LSU would claim it, that would mean LSU was the first current day SEC team to win a natty.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:03 am to tarzana
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I have. Florida was beaten by Miami 31-4 in 1987. I remember also Iowa beating Penn State 6-4 in 2004, the year of the Saban Cap One collapse
Ten minutes to Wapner, Rainman
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:27 am to Barrister
I say claim it and yours truly always has! To me its four not three we have. The argument that we don't want to be like Bama and claim cheap NCs (1941 LOL!!!) holds no water. If the NCF is going to hand it off retroactively...TAKE IT!!!
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:02 am to Barrister
Most probably didn't know how tough these old bastards were. College football was almost banished forever much like today but before we were complete pussies.
SEP 6, 2012
How Teddy Roosevelt Saved Football
Look back at football’s brutal beginnings and President Theodore Roosevelt’s quest to save the sport from abolition.
BY CHRISTOPHER KLEIN
Credit: Stock Montage/Stock Montage/Getty Images
At the turn of the 20th century, America’s football gridirons were killing fields. The college game drew tens of thousands of spectators and rivaled professional baseball in fan appeal, but football in the early 1900s was lethally brutal. Football was a grinding, bruising sport in which the forward pass was illegal and brute strength was required to move the ball. Players locked arms in mass formations and used their helmetless heads as battering rams. Gang tackles routinely buried ball carriers underneath a ton and a half of tangled humanity.
With little protective equipment, players sustained gruesome injuries—wrenched spinal cords, crushed skulls and broken ribs that pierced their hearts. The Chicago Tribune reported that in 1904 alone, there were 18 football deaths and 159 serious injuries, mostly among prep school players. Obituaries of young pigskin players ran on a nearly weekly basis during the football season. The carnage appalled America. Newspaper editorials called on colleges and high schools to banish football outright. “The once athletic sport has degenerated into a contest that for brutality is little better than the gladiatorial combats in the arena in ancient Rome,” opined the Beaumont Express. The sport reached such a crisis that one of its biggest boosters—President Theodore Roosevelt—got involved.
Although his nearsightedness kept him off the Harvard varsity squad, Roosevelt was a vocal exponent of football’s contribution to the “strenuous life,” both on and off the field. As New York City police commissioner, he helped revive the annual Harvard-Yale football series after it had been canceled for two years following the violent 1894 clash that was deemed “the bloodbath at Hampden Park.” His belief that the football field was a proving ground for the battlefield was validated by the performance of his fellow Rough Riders who were former football standouts. “In life, as in a football game,” he wrote, “the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don’t foul and don’t shirk, but hit the line hard!” In 1903, the president told an audience, “I believe in rough games and in rough, manly sports. I do not feel any particular sympathy for the person who gets battered about a good deal so long as it is not fatal.”
Football, however, was fatal, and even Roosevelt acknowledged it required reform if it was to be saved. With his son Theodore Jr. now playing for the Harvard freshman team, he had a paternal interest in reforming the game as well. Fresh from negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese War, Roosevelt sought to end violence on the football field as well as the battlefield. Using his “big stick,” the First Fan summoned the head coaches and representatives of the premier collegiate powers—Harvard, Yale and Princeton—to the White House on October 9, 1905. Roosevelt urged them to curb excessive violence and set an example of fair play for the rest of the country. The schools released a statement condemning brutality and pledging to keep the game clean.
Roosevelt soon discovered that brokering peace in the Far East may have been an easier proposition than getting an American sport to clean up its act. Fatalities and injuries mounted during the 1905 season. In the freshman tilt against Yale, the president’s son was bruised and his nose broken—deliberately, according to some accounts. The following week, the Harvard varsity nearly walked off the field while playing against Yale after their captain was leveled by an illegal hit on a fair catch that left his nose broken and bloodied. The same afternoon, Union College halfback Harold Moore died of a cerebral hemorrhage after being kicked in the head while attempting to tackle a New York University runner. It was a grim end to a savage season. In what the Chicago Tribune referred to as a “death harvest,” the 1905 football season resulted in 19 player deaths and 137 serious injuries. A Cincinnati Commercial Tribune cartoon depicted the Grim Reaper on a goalpost surveying a twisted mass of fallen players.
Following the season, Stanford and California switched to rugby while Columbia, Northwestern and Duke dropped football. Harvard president Charles Eliot, who considered football “more brutalizing than prizefighting, cockfighting or bullfighting,” warned that Harvard could be next, a move that would be a crushing blow to the college game and the Harvard alum in the Oval Office. Roosevelt wrote in a letter to a friend that he would not let Eliot “emasculate football,” and that he hoped to “minimize the danger” without football having to be played “on too ladylike a basis.” Roosevelt again used his bully pulpit. He urged the Harvard coach and other leading football authorities to push for radical rule changes, and he invited other school leaders to the White House in the offseason.
An intercollegiate conference, which would become the forerunner of the NCAA, approved radical rule changes for the 1906 season. They legalized the forward pass, abolished the dangerous mass formations, created a neutral zone between offense and defense and doubled the first-down distance to 10 yards, to be gained in three downs. The rule changes didn’t eliminate football’s dangers, but fatalities declined—to 11 per year in both 1906 and 1907—while injuries fell sharply. A spike in fatalities in 1909 led to another round of reforms that further eased restrictions on the forward pass and formed the foundation of the modern sport.
Crown these tough sob's.
SEP 6, 2012
How Teddy Roosevelt Saved Football
Look back at football’s brutal beginnings and President Theodore Roosevelt’s quest to save the sport from abolition.
BY CHRISTOPHER KLEIN
Credit: Stock Montage/Stock Montage/Getty Images
At the turn of the 20th century, America’s football gridirons were killing fields. The college game drew tens of thousands of spectators and rivaled professional baseball in fan appeal, but football in the early 1900s was lethally brutal. Football was a grinding, bruising sport in which the forward pass was illegal and brute strength was required to move the ball. Players locked arms in mass formations and used their helmetless heads as battering rams. Gang tackles routinely buried ball carriers underneath a ton and a half of tangled humanity.
With little protective equipment, players sustained gruesome injuries—wrenched spinal cords, crushed skulls and broken ribs that pierced their hearts. The Chicago Tribune reported that in 1904 alone, there were 18 football deaths and 159 serious injuries, mostly among prep school players. Obituaries of young pigskin players ran on a nearly weekly basis during the football season. The carnage appalled America. Newspaper editorials called on colleges and high schools to banish football outright. “The once athletic sport has degenerated into a contest that for brutality is little better than the gladiatorial combats in the arena in ancient Rome,” opined the Beaumont Express. The sport reached such a crisis that one of its biggest boosters—President Theodore Roosevelt—got involved.
Although his nearsightedness kept him off the Harvard varsity squad, Roosevelt was a vocal exponent of football’s contribution to the “strenuous life,” both on and off the field. As New York City police commissioner, he helped revive the annual Harvard-Yale football series after it had been canceled for two years following the violent 1894 clash that was deemed “the bloodbath at Hampden Park.” His belief that the football field was a proving ground for the battlefield was validated by the performance of his fellow Rough Riders who were former football standouts. “In life, as in a football game,” he wrote, “the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard; don’t foul and don’t shirk, but hit the line hard!” In 1903, the president told an audience, “I believe in rough games and in rough, manly sports. I do not feel any particular sympathy for the person who gets battered about a good deal so long as it is not fatal.”
Football, however, was fatal, and even Roosevelt acknowledged it required reform if it was to be saved. With his son Theodore Jr. now playing for the Harvard freshman team, he had a paternal interest in reforming the game as well. Fresh from negotiating an end to the Russo-Japanese War, Roosevelt sought to end violence on the football field as well as the battlefield. Using his “big stick,” the First Fan summoned the head coaches and representatives of the premier collegiate powers—Harvard, Yale and Princeton—to the White House on October 9, 1905. Roosevelt urged them to curb excessive violence and set an example of fair play for the rest of the country. The schools released a statement condemning brutality and pledging to keep the game clean.
Roosevelt soon discovered that brokering peace in the Far East may have been an easier proposition than getting an American sport to clean up its act. Fatalities and injuries mounted during the 1905 season. In the freshman tilt against Yale, the president’s son was bruised and his nose broken—deliberately, according to some accounts. The following week, the Harvard varsity nearly walked off the field while playing against Yale after their captain was leveled by an illegal hit on a fair catch that left his nose broken and bloodied. The same afternoon, Union College halfback Harold Moore died of a cerebral hemorrhage after being kicked in the head while attempting to tackle a New York University runner. It was a grim end to a savage season. In what the Chicago Tribune referred to as a “death harvest,” the 1905 football season resulted in 19 player deaths and 137 serious injuries. A Cincinnati Commercial Tribune cartoon depicted the Grim Reaper on a goalpost surveying a twisted mass of fallen players.
Following the season, Stanford and California switched to rugby while Columbia, Northwestern and Duke dropped football. Harvard president Charles Eliot, who considered football “more brutalizing than prizefighting, cockfighting or bullfighting,” warned that Harvard could be next, a move that would be a crushing blow to the college game and the Harvard alum in the Oval Office. Roosevelt wrote in a letter to a friend that he would not let Eliot “emasculate football,” and that he hoped to “minimize the danger” without football having to be played “on too ladylike a basis.” Roosevelt again used his bully pulpit. He urged the Harvard coach and other leading football authorities to push for radical rule changes, and he invited other school leaders to the White House in the offseason.
An intercollegiate conference, which would become the forerunner of the NCAA, approved radical rule changes for the 1906 season. They legalized the forward pass, abolished the dangerous mass formations, created a neutral zone between offense and defense and doubled the first-down distance to 10 yards, to be gained in three downs. The rule changes didn’t eliminate football’s dangers, but fatalities declined—to 11 per year in both 1906 and 1907—while injuries fell sharply. A spike in fatalities in 1909 led to another round of reforms that further eased restrictions on the forward pass and formed the foundation of the modern sport.
Crown these tough sob's.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:54 am to grape nutz
The schedule and a little note on each:
LSU - 41 Young Mens Gymnastics Club of Nola - 0
This is a professional team, made up of mostly ex players from Tulane and colleges from across the south. There were many teams like this across the nation back in those days, ex college players would ban together and make money betting on games, these teams played football, baseball and basketball.
LSU - 81 Soldiers of Jackson Barracks - 5
Jackson Barracks is the New Orleans army barracks team that played in the New Orleans city league. LSU is down on the Army 5 yards line and is about to score when we round the line on the sweep play, the ball is pitched to one of the backs and bounces off the ground and the Army player who is running up to meet the play, gets the ball on the bonce in his hands at full speed and runs it in for a td.
That is the only td scored on LSU all year. I have a picture of the 1909 game in my collection, played at LSU.
LSU - 26 Texas A & M - 0
A&M is a good team and had won in the mud (if I remember the weather correct) the year before.
LSU - 55 SW Presbyterian - 0
This is a Memphis Tenn. team, our team has connections to the Memphis area.
LSU - 10 Auburn - 2
The best team we played all season, the reason the score is not higher is the field the game was played on was made up of dirt and sawdust mixed. The sawdust slowed the LSU team down. T. C. Locke is the best overall player we played against.
LSU - 50 Mississippi A&M - 0
The Blacksmiths did not have a chance in this game, Fenton not going to them and coming to Baton Rouge due to the cost of beer won us this game. Miss. A&M is made of some northern players just like LSU, many having played with Fenton or against him at the Normal school.
LSU - 89 Baylor - 0
The Baylor coach played in the Tulane game for Baylor, Tulane agreed to let him play. The game was close and Tulane had the coach kicked from the game and made a big deal of it in the paper. Coach Mills said LSU was much better than Tulane.
LSU - 32 Haskell - 0
The game that Ty Cobb bet big on Haskell and lost near 2000 on the game from what I heard. Cobb had docked at New Orleans after a trip to Japan.
LSU - 22 La Tech - 0
Very short game, it is sometime after this game that Clearance Smith is bitten and infected and would cause his death just after the season.
LSU - 36 Arkansas - 4
Triple pass play in this game by LSU and the score does not show how much better the LSU team really is by this point in the season.
Most of the games were played well under the 45 minutes a half limit, many were played 30 minutes or less.
LSU - 41 Young Mens Gymnastics Club of Nola - 0
This is a professional team, made up of mostly ex players from Tulane and colleges from across the south. There were many teams like this across the nation back in those days, ex college players would ban together and make money betting on games, these teams played football, baseball and basketball.
LSU - 81 Soldiers of Jackson Barracks - 5
Jackson Barracks is the New Orleans army barracks team that played in the New Orleans city league. LSU is down on the Army 5 yards line and is about to score when we round the line on the sweep play, the ball is pitched to one of the backs and bounces off the ground and the Army player who is running up to meet the play, gets the ball on the bonce in his hands at full speed and runs it in for a td.
That is the only td scored on LSU all year. I have a picture of the 1909 game in my collection, played at LSU.
LSU - 26 Texas A & M - 0
A&M is a good team and had won in the mud (if I remember the weather correct) the year before.
LSU - 55 SW Presbyterian - 0
This is a Memphis Tenn. team, our team has connections to the Memphis area.
LSU - 10 Auburn - 2
The best team we played all season, the reason the score is not higher is the field the game was played on was made up of dirt and sawdust mixed. The sawdust slowed the LSU team down. T. C. Locke is the best overall player we played against.
LSU - 50 Mississippi A&M - 0
The Blacksmiths did not have a chance in this game, Fenton not going to them and coming to Baton Rouge due to the cost of beer won us this game. Miss. A&M is made of some northern players just like LSU, many having played with Fenton or against him at the Normal school.
LSU - 89 Baylor - 0
The Baylor coach played in the Tulane game for Baylor, Tulane agreed to let him play. The game was close and Tulane had the coach kicked from the game and made a big deal of it in the paper. Coach Mills said LSU was much better than Tulane.
LSU - 32 Haskell - 0
The game that Ty Cobb bet big on Haskell and lost near 2000 on the game from what I heard. Cobb had docked at New Orleans after a trip to Japan.
LSU - 22 La Tech - 0
Very short game, it is sometime after this game that Clearance Smith is bitten and infected and would cause his death just after the season.
LSU - 36 Arkansas - 4
Triple pass play in this game by LSU and the score does not show how much better the LSU team really is by this point in the season.
Most of the games were played well under the 45 minutes a half limit, many were played 30 minutes or less.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 1:58 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 2:06 am to Barrister
Can someone find more information on the football team for soldiers of Jackson barracks?
I googled and found a lot of information on them in regards to military but nothing mentions football.
I googled and found a lot of information on them in regards to military but nothing mentions football.
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