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re: High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty, While High School Grads Line Up For University
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:07 pm to VermilionTiger
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:07 pm to VermilionTiger
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You mean to tell me that this is more important than experiencing the college dream, majoring in liberal arts, and bitching because my student loan dept is out of control while not finding a job?
Oh you can find a job with that degree, but you could have also gotten that same job without the degree.
McDonalds and Dollar General will hire people who have a $150,000 gender studies degree.
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:40 pm to RedRifle
This all cuts both ways. College IS for a lot of people. I was all ready to drop out of school after my sophomore year. Took a manual labor job for the summer and it scared me straight. I realized:
-I suck at that stuff
-I’m not doing that for 30 years
Behind a desk is where I belong. I got my ducks in a row, started getting good grades, and I’m very happy with my career.
So I had student loan payments, so what. Granted I was also smart and stayed in state to minimize those loan payments.
The key is using college to prepare for a career. This learning for the sake of learning and getting a degree in history doesn’t work anymore. You want to learn a ton about history, get a library card, don’t pay thousands and thousands of dollars for it.
And I do agree that we generally push too many towards college.
-I suck at that stuff
-I’m not doing that for 30 years
Behind a desk is where I belong. I got my ducks in a row, started getting good grades, and I’m very happy with my career.
So I had student loan payments, so what. Granted I was also smart and stayed in state to minimize those loan payments.
The key is using college to prepare for a career. This learning for the sake of learning and getting a degree in history doesn’t work anymore. You want to learn a ton about history, get a library card, don’t pay thousands and thousands of dollars for it.
And I do agree that we generally push too many towards college.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:41 pm to Korkstand
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"High-paying"? If the jobs are sitting empty, then they aren't paying enough. Isn't this simple supply and demand?
They are sitting empty because there is no skilled labor. These are jobs that require skill and training, which can usually acquired inexpensively at local tech schools. You can't hire Jim Bob, the fry cook at the local Wendy's, and throw him in your fabrication shop as a welder. There are more jobs that require skilled labor than skilled laborers, and they all pay pretty damn well.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 12:50 pm to RedRifle
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There are already more trade jobs like carpentry, electrical, plumbing, sheet-metal work and pipe-fitting than Washingtonians to fill them, the state auditor reports. Many pay more than the state's average annual wage of $54,000.
compare that to this:
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according to Richard Vedder at Ohio University and the director of the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, in 2012 there were 115,000 janitors, 16,000 parking lot attendants, 83,000 bartenders, and about 35,000 taxi drivers with a bachelor degree
but, yeah, everyone needs to get a degree. Doubt those mentioned above are earning $54,000/year.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:40 pm to schwartzy
And parents should be involved. Your right, most kids have no clue what the want to do for the rest of their life at 18. However, mom and dad should help guide their child IMO. Leaving it 100% in the kids hands is why we have graduates with bs degrees that can’t find a job.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 1:42 pm to RedRifle
really depends on what a kid gets a degree in, what kind of connections a family has, what school they attend, internships, etc.
a good trade is worth more than most 4 year degrees.
a good trade is worth more than most 4 year degrees.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:05 pm to VABuckeye
Buckeye you’ve mentioned your business many times throughout the years. You mind me asking what kind of work you’re into? I’ve always been curious
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:08 pm to RedRifle
I used to make more as a contractor (working in a large refinery working 40-45 hours a week) than ANY of my college graduate friends. Most of them had jobs that had nothing to do with their degrees.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:10 pm to RedRifle
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annual wage of $54k
For experienced tradesmen and little to no benefits. No surprise kids aren't lining up for these jobs. Oh, and most of the work is hot exhausting and dirty.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 2:12 pm to Chuker
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For experienced tradesmen and little to no benefits. No surprise kids aren't lining up for these jobs. Oh, and most of the work is hot exhausting and dirty.
Exactly
Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:07 pm to slackster
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Wish TOPS didn't have to be used immediately after graduation
Unless things have changed, it doesn't have to. I deferred my acceptance to LSU in 2003 and took a gap year. I worked and then traveled Europe before starting in August 2004 with TOPS. High school burnout was real and the TOPS fine print said that I had until the fall semester following the first anniversary of my high school graduation to use it. I learned way more in that one year "off" at age 18 than the succeeding four years at LSU.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:11 pm to RedRifle
Yes. Union trade jobs pay very well.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:17 pm to tigerinthebueche
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but, yeah, everyone needs to get a degree. Doubt those mentioned above are earning $54,000/year.
College isn't for everyone, but parents are too "proud" or some shite to tell their kid that they aren't cut out for college and that maybe they should take another route.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 3:57 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Most people want to make a lot more than that.
Easy to make a lot more than that as an independent and you certainly don't need to be a master anything.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 4:01 pm to Chuker
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For experienced tradesmen and little to no benefits. No surprise kids aren't lining up for these jobs.
I know a trim carpenter who earns enough to sink more into his race car in a given year than most OT'rs pretend to earn.
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Oh, and most of the work is hot exhausting and dirty.
So what. Better than being a fatass sitting in a cubical all day.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 4:57 pm to RedRifle
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Jobs with no benefits go unfilled while those with the income to invest in their future attend college
Posted on 4/26/18 at 5:33 pm to TheCaterpillar
I know a guy who makes 400k a year doing electrical work for farmers on irrigation pivots/wells and such. He can't find a young guy willing to do it to take over when he retires in a couple years. Makes more than most local doctors/lawyers do
Posted on 4/26/18 at 5:40 pm to Chuker
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For experienced tradesmen and little to no benefits. No surprise kids aren't lining up for these jobs. Oh, and most of the work is hot exhausting and dirty.
trades can pay really well but it is hard work and hard on your body.
what is so odd is I know a college graduate that can't find a job. I keep telling him sell cars or get a job in a trade. he won't.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 5:42 pm to deltaland
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I know a guy who makes 400k a year doing electrical work for farmers on irrigation pivots/wells and such. He can't find a young guy willing to do it to take over when he retires in a couple years. Makes more than most local doctors/lawyers do
So one guy makes a lot of money while the rest work under houses in the hundred degree heat for 35k and no benefits. You can make money in the trades, but it's really hard. How some of you don't understand that these people are so outside of the norm that it really shouldn't be considered is astounding.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:12 pm to RedRifle
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And he is earning $28.36 an hour, or more than $50,000 a year, which is almost certain to steadily increase.
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High-Paying Trade Jobs Sit Empty,
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